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Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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He’s always been this person, the wealth just amplified it. Sometimes the wrong people fall into power. Sometimes we trust the wrong people. Most of life is luck. Take the ketamine, wealth, and sycophants away, he will still be this person. But without the power. Human condition is tricky.

He was not always the same person, certainty not politically. Like many other covid and a few other things had a major impact.

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Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Drug abuse, boundless wealth, and surrounding yourself with sycophants can skew one's perception of reality.

He’s always been this person, the wealth just amplified it. Sometimes the wrong people fall into power. Sometimes we trust the wrong people. Most of life is luck. Take the ketamine, wealth, and sycophants away, he will still be this person. But without the power. Human condition is tricky.

>most of life is luck

I wish everyone understood this.

Unfortunately, the rich and billionaire class are convinced they got where they did just because of sheer personal effort. This of course is delusional. Effort is important, but luck is essential.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

He didn’t make a turn. He just started sharing himself out loud.

Billionaires are rarely aligned on any political spectrum. They pray at the altar of Mammon and they are aligned to whatever "side" promises the biggest financial upside.

Musk cosied up with Trump because he saw a way boost revenue with lucrative government contracts and a prez that is buyable wrt whatever other projects he has planned (Orion/Starship, Robotaxi etc)

He had a falling out with Trump when he realized that the winds were blowing in the opposite direction than anticipated.

Their only ideology is money, nothing else.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

>1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. Yeah, makes no sense. Also anecdotally, I bought their EV out of concern for the environment and the thought that oil should be consumed as little as possible for geopolitical reasons. Philip Low, a long-time peer and friend of Elon Musk offered o…

Let me help you with the link: https://archive.li/PkWxL archived version of the original LinkedIn post. Snopes veryfied a couple of facts mentioned in the reddit post but cannot ultimately vouch for its authenticity: https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/28/elon-musk-billionaire...

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Ego and lack of emotional intelligence is a hell of a thing. Global electrification continues without Tesla (~20% of global auto sales are EVs, ~50%+ in China, as of this comment), a casualty of hubris. https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-ev-leapfrog-how...

Drug abuse, boundless wealth, and surrounding yourself with sycophants can skew one's perception of reality.

Didn't help that his family moved to South Africa because Canada wasn't racist enough.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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post #12

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Drug abuse, boundless wealth, and surrounding yourself with sycophants can skew one's perception of reality.

He’s always been this person, the wealth just amplified it. Sometimes the wrong people fall into power. Sometimes we trust the wrong people. Most of life is luck. Take the ketamine, wealth, and sycophants away, he will still be this person. But without the power. Human condition is tricky.

I think you have a point.

I often think of Tony Hsieh (Zappos founder/CEO), who was a much more grounded and humble person before he became extremely wealthy. Perhaps he had the tendencies/propensities (that ended his life) dormant all along, and his wealth suddenly boosted those deadly habits.

He went from this:

https://youtu.be/jJ5k_Byd9Fs?si=XeYpu-rUNos_dwgI

...to this:

https://straightforwardinteractive.com/2020/12/08/tony-hsieh...

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

#47

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> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. I believe a couple of things happened over the last few years that basically broke him. One factor may have been his daughter coming out as trans, and I have a feeling that another factor was a realization that his ambition to start a Mars colony w…

> He started engaging in irrational, erratic behavior circa 2019-2020

Hrm, not sure about that. Remember the cave diver thing? He's been fairly unhinged for a while.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union None of them can compete with BYD.

I mean, this is a popular talking point, but in real life BYD's sales are dramatically smaller than VW AG's in Europe. They're even smaller than Geely's (another Chinese manufacturer): https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Bar/All-time-by-Qu...

BYD are huge in _China_, and in some other parts of the world, and they are growing in Europe, but the media focus on them is slightly excessive.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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post #43

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He didn’t make a turn. He just started sharing himself out loud.

Billionaires are rarely aligned on any political spectrum. They pray at the altar of Mammon and they are aligned to whatever "side" promises the biggest financial upside. Musk cosied up with Trump because he saw a way boost revenue with lucrative government contracts and a prez that is buyable wrt whatever other projects he has planned (Orion/Starship, Robotaxi etc) He had a falling out with Trump when he realized th…

I think this view is limited. Right now, we can clearly see ideological motivations beyond money in these billionaires. They are going for the crown, they want to reign.

Thiel, Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, they want to rule the world. I think Musk is just the least competent, most impulsive of them. Thiel is probably the most dangerous, who, besides being completely insane, is able to pull off the long con and can moderate his ego best.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s always been this person, the wealth just amplified it. Sometimes the wrong people fall into power. Sometimes we trust the wrong people. Most of life is luck. Take the ketamine, wealth, and sycophants away, he will still be this person. But without the power. Human condition is tricky.

I think you have a point. I often think of Tony Hsieh (Zappos founder/CEO), who was a much more grounded and humble person before he became extremely wealthy. Perhaps he had the tendencies/propensities (that ended his life) dormant all along, and his wealth suddenly boosted those deadly habits. He went from this: https://youtu.be/jJ5k_Byd9Fs?si=XeYpu-rUNos_dwgI ...to this: https://straightforwardinteractive.com/2020/…

You can't be a billionaire without pathology. The power, unlimited access to every resource, the inherent isolation, security implications, factual immunity to most consequences, morbidly twisted self-efficacy, the ethical dissonance of having it all while others starve... the human brain evolved adapted to scarcity and existential group boundaries to check on social pathology. These guys are holistically unchecked, inherently dysregulated on every axis. Their brain is constantly in an extraordinary, extreme state, trying to reach homeostasis for a life that couldn't be more distant, trying to find a model of reality which explains the abnormal signals it is getting.
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