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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #37

The women he is praising for filming is, according to the current government, committing illegal violence against the ICE agents. https://reason.com/2026/01/08/you-have-the-right-to-record-i... > The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal To Record Videos of ICE. Here's What the Law Says. > Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when the…

At that point, its not libertarian anymore, its identitarian. The victim was from an outgroup so anything goes, including your values around liberty out the window.

Identity politics is at the core of conservativism and what ever is good for, or part of your group or yourself is just by nature and good for society. This tribalistic bias skews your reasoning, because we apes have evolved to sustain our own group or ourself. As social animals, we have externalized our self-preservative drive onto the tribe we live in and this bias drives libertarians to these comments and why there is such a significant overlap between religion, racists (group oriented) but also libertarians (individual oriented), etc. The big political divide is between people who are more vulnerable to such identity based biases and people who are lesser so.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by culebron21 »

KittenInABox wrote: post #8

Inquiry, since I know anti immigrant sentiment is on the rise in other countries. How are other countries increasing their enforcement of their immigration laws? Are there also chaotic situations where their immigration enforcers are shooting people in cars? Are there better ways for rising anti-immigrant sentiment to result in stricter enforcement with less violence?

I'm from Russia. There's no such special department there, nor police shoots at anyone in a car. They do chase, then after some minutes, if nothing works, shoot at tires. There's no rule, nor drilling to shoot then think, nor to take a gun ASAP. There's no qualified immunity for police either. (Right-wing Russians, even die-hard Putin's supporters, in fact admire this side of the American police -- like "you don't stare at a policeman in America", they say.) The whole issue of detainees being shot -- that's not a problem there at all.

There is one department that's similar to ICE, the riot police called Rosgvardia (Russian Guard), which is anti-mass-protest force. When it was created, they hired all the normal police drop-outs, the worst. But they only carry batons.

The real issue with human rights in Russia is in courts and law application, and inside prisons, out of public eye.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by Atreiden »

addandsubtract wrote: post #34
lma21 wrote: post #33

Why is this flagged??

It'S PoLiTiCaL

As self-proclaimed hackers who are part of a community whose core values include curiosity and critical thinking, we do ourselves, and the world, a massive disservice by closing our eyes and ears to important information just because it's political in nature.

Hacker culture and fascism are antithetical, and we should all be acutely aware when the current regime moves towards violence to squash dissent.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #37

The women he is praising for filming is, according to the current government, committing illegal violence against the ICE agents. https://reason.com/2026/01/08/you-have-the-right-to-record-i... > The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal To Record Videos of ICE. Here's What the Law Says. > Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when the…

And your point is ?

Because someone is filming, it is okay for a federal agent to execute their partner ?

I'm not sure I understand.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by cmxch »

tombert wrote: post #9

It's almost like giving a nearly-completely-unregulated quasi-military force unlimited funding, more weapons than God, and no clear goals other than "deport more people" is actually a really bad idea. People voted for this. Oh but hey, we at least made sure to pretend to save money by firing and then rapidly rehiring a lot of the workforce.

If we give money to groups that aid and support the protection of illegal aliens, no sense in not outspending them.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by qotgalaxy »

cmxch wrote: post #46
tombert wrote: post #9

It's almost like giving a nearly-completely-unregulated quasi-military force unlimited funding, more weapons than God, and no clear goals other than "deport more people" is actually a really bad idea. People voted for this. Oh but hey, we at least made sure to pretend to save money by firing and then rapidly rehiring a lot of the workforce.

If we give money to groups that aid and support the protection of illegal aliens, no sense in not outspending them.

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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by superb_dev »

cmxch wrote: post #45

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Please look at the second image in this article[0]. It shows each frame of the video where a shot was fired. Her tires were pointed away when the first shot was fired and the second two shots were from the side of the vehicle. She was clearly trying to leave, she was not trying to hit anyone.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/vid...

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

cmxch wrote: post #45

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You really think so, or is this some tribal adherence to your tribe ?

I am not american, I have no skin in the game. But to me, the ICE agents were never really threatened. I would not be afraid for my life if I were in this situation.

What I do understand, is the panic a person could have felt if masked ICE agents with weapons came their way.

I do not understand why it has to be a partizan issue. What I see, is a federal agent murdering an innocent US citizen. How is this not a bad thing for both sides ?

I am honestly trying to understand.

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