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Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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I am only semi technical so most of these go right over my head, but after watching a ton of Jeff Dean interviews, etc it is really fun to see how a 10-100x engineer can operate over such a long career (while seemingly a normal and kind person to boot)

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> When Jeff Dean goes on vacation, production services across Google mysteriously stop working within a few days. This is actually true. ... It's not clear whether this fact is really true, or whether this line is simply part of the joke, so I've omitted the usual (TRUE) identifier here. Interpret this as you see fit :) I think this one's true-ish. Back in the day when Google didn't have good cron services for the co…

The other thing that ran under Jeff's desk for a long time was Code Search, the old one.

I remember this. He went on vacation and since he wasn't available to login, code search indexing went down for a bit.

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Jeff Dean liquidated Google's entire AI ethics team because they wouldn't revise an academic publication to align with the corporate PR spin on AI.

As far as I can tell, no one seems to think much of value was lost.

It turns out when you usher the dissenters out of the room, you hear a lot less dissent.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Jeff Dean liquidated Google's entire AI ethics team because they wouldn't revise an academic publication to align with the corporate PR spin on AI.

As far as I can tell, no one seems to think much of value was lost.

even at the time that was the verdict

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Hey! I created Jeff Dean Facts! Not the jokes themselves, but the site that collected them. It was in 2008 I think (give or take a year, can't remember). I worked at Google at the time. Chunk Norris Facts was a popular Internet meme (which I think later faded when he came out as MAGA, but I digress...). A colleague (who wishes to remain anonymous) thought the idea of Jeff Dean Facts would be funny, and April 1st was…

What makes it feel a little racist?

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Jeff Dean liquidated Google's entire AI ethics team because they wouldn't revise an academic publication to align with the corporate PR spin on AI.

As far as I can tell, no one seems to think much of value was lost.

ai ethics was/is useless. it felt a lot like the movie industry of the 1930s saying they will police themselves just to keep any bigger regulator away

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> When Jeff Dean goes on vacation, production services across Google mysteriously stop working within a few days. This is actually true. ... It's not clear whether this fact is really true, or whether this line is simply part of the joke, so I've omitted the usual (TRUE) identifier here. Interpret this as you see fit :) I think this one's true-ish. Back in the day when Google didn't have good cron services for the co…

Ha, I also recall this fact about the protobuf DB after all these years

Another Jeff Dean fact should be "Russ Cox was Jeff Dean's intern"

This was either 2006 or 2007, whenever Russ started. I remember when Jeff and Sanjay wrote "gsearch", a distributed grep over google3 that ran on 40-80 machines [1].

There was a series of talks called "Nooglers and the PDB" I think, and I remember Jeff explained gsearch to maybe 20-40 of us in a small conference room in building 43.

It was a tiny and elegant piece of code -- something like ~2000 total lines of C++, with "indexer" (I think it just catted all the files, which were later mapped into memory), replicated server, client, and Borg config.

The auth for the indexer lived in Jeff's home dir, perhaps similar to the protobuf DB.

That was some of the first "real Google C++ distributed system" code I read, and it was eye opening.

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After that talk, I submitted a small CL to that directory (which I think Sanjay balked at slightly, but Jeff accepted). And then I put a Perforce watch on it to see what other changes were being submitted.

I think the code was dormant for awhile, but later I saw someone named Russ Cox started submitting a ton of changes to it. That became the public Google Code Search product [2]. My memory is that Russ wrote something like 30K lines of google3 C++ in a single summer, and then went on to write RE2 (which I later used in Bigtable, etc.)

Much of that work is described here: https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/

I remember someone telling him on a mailing list something like "you can't just write your own regex engine; there are too many corner cases in PCRE"

And many people know that Russ Cox went on to be one of the main contributors to the Go language. After the Code Search internship, he worked on Go, which was open sourced in 2009.

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[1] Actually I wonder if today if this could perform well enough a single machine with 64 or 128 cores. Back then I think the prod machines were something like 2, 4, or 8 cores.

[2] This was the trigram regex search over open source code on the web. Later, there was also the structured search with compiler front ends, led by Steve Yegge.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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> When Jeff gives a seminar at Stanford, it's so crowded Don Knuth has to sit on the floor. (TRUE) That's actually funny and cool if true. I think what's even more impressive is that this stuff was all pre-AI boom.

It probably is. I think the same thing happened when Randall Munroe (of xkcd fame) gave a talk at Google. I was there, it was crowded, and Don Knuth showed up. 90% sure he sat on the floor.

Friends and I nabbed front-row seats to the Munroe talk; after a time we were asked to take seats a few rows back to make room for Knuth and others. He definitely did not sit on the floor.
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