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Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by akpa1 »

acureau wrote: post #27

Spotify is the only streaming service I still pay for, and I will continue to pay for, because: 1. The catalog is comprehensive. I listen to far more music than I could afford to own. 2. There are no advertisements in the paid service. 3. Their music discovery algorithm is excellent. I also appreciate the yearly statistics, and how they continue to add value for me. Podcasts and eBooks being added to the platform was…

I do enjoy the Spotify Wrapped stuff, but after moving partially to selfhosting Navidrome for a growing collection of rips and DRM-free purchases, I've been scrobbling everything (including Spotify) to Last.fm, which has a similar end-of-year round-up. It's pretty good, got mine a couple of days ago.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by zihotki »

rurban wrote: post #31
whitguy wrote: post #23

Regardless of pricing you can't substitute one with the other... Spotify is a streaming service with a massive library. Self hosting means you must BYO media... and, news flash, populating a library with relevant content that rivals Spotify or would satisfy your average user will almost certainly require illegally acquiring said content.

Youtube has much more music than Spotify, is better sorted by Albums (without holes, no skips) and you can easily rip it. It has all the better obscure artists, Spotify delisted. There's also a recommendation engine via YouTube Music.

And once you start listening there, your video suggestions feed becomes a music feed thus degrade the video experience. Vids and music must be separate

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Post by aeturnum »

nonethewiser wrote: post #34
aeturnum wrote: post #29

There are lots of reasons to dislike Spotify but a frustration of mine with the "I ditched Spotify" discourse is that it hides the ball. As this article quietly acknowledges at the end: ditching streaming services either means spending a lot more money or listening to a lot less music. To be clear I think either option is fine, but those seem like the important aspects of the change. If you are going to spend 10x mor…

Well obviously you could just pirate it instead right? Like piracy or not, spending more money or listening to less music are not the only options. Hell you could not pirate it and just listen on youtube - that's another option. The real cost to self-hosted is time and complexity. But there are all sorts of alternatives to simply not using Spotify anymore - not just self hosting.

Sure - but as you can see here the focus on "ditching spotify" is often ethical. You can absolutely use services that have an artist pay-rate of $0 per stream, but I don't think people typically advocate for that - and indeed this author does not seem to either (otherwise they would have no collection size issues).

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by eikenberry »

mahmoudhossam wrote: post #30
didip wrote: post #25

Dumb question, where do you actually buy digital copy of music these days? Or find a big library of music that you can download.

Qobuz and 7digital both have extensive libraries of high quality music. Edit: and of course bandcamp exists but I wouldn't call their collection extensive.

Don't forget bandcamp.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by sp1nningaway »

I just did the same, but using a Pi + nvme drive at home. I did an initial setup with Mopidy/Iris, but just tested Plex, and it was such a better experience I am going to start paying for that instead.

It's been a real joy getting away from Spotify's shoving music and podcasts in my face and instead buying music from band camp based on friend recommendations.

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Post by swiftcoder »

DelightOne wrote: post #38
swiftcoder wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most streaming services commission their own content, yes, but they do so to market original content - Netflix Originals don't pretend to be Wes Anderson movies, and get slid into your playlist when you aren't looking

So if they played a short annoncement beforehand so people know its an Original, it would be fine? Originals get advertised heavily, next-movie, so I assume putting it in the same playlist is fine.

It would at least be better, than sneakily trying to substitute it for artists they'd actually have to pay royalties to, yes

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by modernerd »

I buy my music from Bandcamp and similar and drop it into YouTube Music.

It supports up to 100k uploads and you can stream and/or download your uploads on web/iOS/iPadOS etc. https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9716522?hl=en

It's not as independent but if you're already paying for YouTube Premium it seems reasonable if you don't want to host your own media server.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by dawnerd »

aeturnum wrote: post #29

There are lots of reasons to dislike Spotify but a frustration of mine with the "I ditched Spotify" discourse is that it hides the ball. As this article quietly acknowledges at the end: ditching streaming services either means spending a lot more money or listening to a lot less music. To be clear I think either option is fine, but those seem like the important aspects of the change. If you are going to spend 10x mor…

I want to love qobuz but their ux is horrible as is discovery and they suffer the same problem the others do with their supplied catalog being flooded in fake songs attached to real artists as “ft.).

Qobuz is one of the only places I’ve found to buy drm free music for some artists I follow.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by Frotag »

I've tried self-hosting with navidrome [0] / plex / jellyfin but the thing I miss most is music discovery via radios / discover weekly. I've tried replicating it a few times with embedding vectors + vector search but at best it finds songs in the (sub)-genre with the tempo / mood being pretty different.

Maybe I just need better data, been meaning to try again when that spotify crawl by annas-archive gets released. I've just been using musicbrainz [1] and youtube. Model-wise I've tried off-the-shelf ones like [2] and [3] and training auto-encoders like VAEs / MAEs [4]

[0] - https://www.navidrome.org/

[1] - https://musicbrainz.org/

[2] - https://github.com/LAION-AI/CLAP

[3] - https://github.com/SonyCSLParis/music2latent

[4] - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.06405

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