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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

sschueller wrote: post #7
pu_pe wrote: post #2

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores Apple could easily block this, and in the situation described here of a complete rupture with the US, they would no longer operate and sell phones in the EU. If Google decided to do the same, that…

ASML could also "brick" their machines running in the US.

The USA basically owns ASML since they invented the tech it's why they have to ask the USA congress permission to do stuff.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Quarrelsome »

ulamel wrote: post #3

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its entirely needed. For those of us who live outside the US he's tearing everything down. His remarks about Greenland and curious kid gloves with Russia hint at a future without NATO. What do you expect other nations to do in response to that?

We can't just outsource all our tech to the US anymore, if it isn't a reliable partner.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ben_w »

ggm wrote: post #37
dxdm wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain?

It's a joint venture with US companies. We talk about it as purely European, but it's not.

Given this thread, imagine a complete rupture of relations between US and EU such that US orders US companies to stop supplying hardware or services to EU.

In this scenario, I don't think it is correct to consider normal business relations, rather "is it *materially* possible?"

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Quarrelsome »

scotty79 wrote: post #29
ulamel wrote: post #3

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It's weird seeing people still having soft spot for trump. Although it's more and more of a "leave the mad grandpa alone! he's ours!".

having a soft spot for politicians period. You're not supposed to like them. You're allowed a "he's ok", or "that was funny" but adoration? ewww.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by zwnow »

rockskon wrote: post #32
anigbrowl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With one hand they do so much to protect consumer rights for us citizens, but with the other hand they build a survailance state. The US is doing that too, and has been pretty open about it for years.

Europe wants so very much worse in many cases.

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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by lostlogin »

anigbrowl wrote: post #14
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

With one hand they do so much to protect consumer rights for us citizens, but with the other hand they build a survailance state. The US is doing that too, and has been pretty open about it for years.

The us is working to protect consumers too? Or just the surveillance bit?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by jeroenhd »

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores, and sell the dongle – along with the infrastructure to operate an app store – to anyone in the world who wants to go into business competing with Apple for users and app vendors.

I have twoo problems with this idea.

1. Users are extremely lazy and anything that doesn't work out of the box doesn't gain any commercial traction. See: Epic Games Store, Amazon App Store, F-Droid to some extent.

2. Apple already allows alternative app stores inside of Finland (the entire EU, actually). There's the issue of Apple's bullshit installation fees, of course, but with Epic covering those so far, cost doesn't seem to be a problem when it comes to the proliferation of app stores.

While I'm all for an iPhone running free code, commercial interests for alternative app stores won't be what will bring forth these improvements.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by lostlogin »

ben_w wrote: post #43
ggm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a joint venture with US companies. We talk about it as purely European, but it's not.

Given this thread, imagine a complete rupture of relations between US and EU such that US orders US companies to stop supplying hardware or services to EU. In this scenario, I don't think it is correct to consider normal business relations, rather "is it *materially* possible?"

> Given this thread, imagine a complete rupture of relations between US and EU

A Greenland invasion might lead to that.

It’s such ridiculous thing to suggest as a trigger, but here we are.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by rdevsrex »

Why not go all the way and establish your own publicly owned central bank and establish an alternative to the dollar?

Oh, yeah, the US will send the CIA or the military in and take you out and make you take on IMF debt to ensure your future compliance.

Clearly, there are limits to what tech alone can accomplish.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by tonyhart7 »

dxdm wrote: post #34
tonyhart7 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no

Explain?

there is a reason why US can force ASML to stop selling its machine to China

learn EUV technology history first, it originated from US department of energy research program, because of cost Gov decided to halt it but multiple private company take over the development but US Gov still hold a patent/license from that technology

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