As if they needed an excuse.
ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people
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#42When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine.
>"When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine." Normally questions like this would be labeled as whataboutism, false equivalence etc. One rule for thee, another one for me. Personally I think we (The West) are heading to disaster. I really missed older times before 9/11
whataboutism
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#43> the agency has greenlighted a contract for a tool that can scan subjects’ irises Where does the initial iris data come from? Is this actually collected now?
Probably from the airport scanners and cameras I see everyone gleefully sticking their faces in. A savings of several minutes per flight!
Is this common? Airport scanners are usually face scanners. Iris scanners are almost always for employees with access to critical areas, not for travelers. I know Doha and Singapore airports use iris scanners at the security check. It's probably a growing trend, haven't seen any in the EU, is it already common in the US?
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#44> the agency has greenlighted a contract for a tool that can scan subjects’ irises Where does the initial iris data come from? Is this actually collected now?
> Where does the initial iris data come from? Visa photos. DACA applications [1]. Basically anyone who trusted the government at any point in the past. It won't catch cartel members. But cocaine seems to be the one thing whose price this administration has driven down [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_... [2] https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/mexico-drugs-cartel-osegu... "Cocaine p…
> "Basically anyone who trusted the government at any point in the past."
Over one million Afghanis voluntarily gave America their iris biometrics; now the Taliban has that data. US military negligently failed to secure it. Lists of American collaborators' biometrics and everything.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/taliban-afghanistan-biome... ("Taliban likely to have access to biometric databases of Afghan civilians who helped US" (2021))
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#45We like to think surveillance is something you can turn on for one problem and turn off afterward. In practice, that never happens. Once the machinery is in place, it stays and looks for new work. Tools justified today by "illegal immigration" won’t stop there. They drift into credit scoring, health insurance pricing, hiring and firing decisions, school admissions, housing access, travel permissions, banking, welfare eligibility, and even which online accounts are allowed to exist. Not because anyone set out to build a dystopia, but because systems, once built, naturally expand to whatever can be measured and enforced.
As Benjamin Franklin put it: those who give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither. The tradeoff rarely feels extreme at the time. It feels reasonable. By the time it isn’t, there’s no way back.
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#46We like to think surveillance is something you can turn on for one problem and turn off afterward. In practice, that never happens. Once the machinery is in place, it stays and looks for new work. Tools justified today by "illegal immigration" won’t stop there. They drift into credit scoring, health insurance pricing, hiring and firing decisions, school admissions, housing access, travel permissions, banking, welfare…
That first sentence of yours really struck a chord with me. I tried to think of other examples:
Cars — essential for leveraging time to travel longer distances and carrying multiple passengers and heavy loads; ens up being used by one person to drive three minutes to get coffee.
Guns — to quickly précis a … complex topic: good guys, but also bad guys.
Electricity — power generation goes up decade after decade, but so too does consumption with wasteful consumption going hand in hand with productive consumption.
As you might be able to tell, I think the answer to the question “how do we stop technology X from destroying us?” lies in licensing and regulation enacted through legislation.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably from the airport scanners and cameras I see everyone gleefully sticking their faces in. A savings of several minutes per flight!
Is this common? Airport scanners are usually face scanners. Iris scanners are almost always for employees with access to critical areas, not for travelers. I know Doha and Singapore airports use iris scanners at the security check. It's probably a growing trend, haven't seen any in the EU, is it already common in the US?
There used to be a scheme in the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Recognition_Immigration_S...
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#48We like to think surveillance is something you can turn on for one problem and turn off afterward. In practice, that never happens. Once the machinery is in place, it stays and looks for new work. Tools justified today by "illegal immigration" won’t stop there. They drift into credit scoring, health insurance pricing, hiring and firing decisions, school admissions, housing access, travel permissions, banking, welfare…
That first sentence of yours really struck a chord with me. I tried to think of other examples: Cars — essential for leveraging time to travel longer distances and carrying multiple passengers and heavy loads; ens up being used by one person to drive three minutes to get coffee. Guns — to quickly précis a … complex topic: good guys, but also bad guys. Electricity — power generation goes up decade after decade, but so…
clothing i think is a big one. Once the poster-child of industrialisation, now results in millions of tons being thrown away each other at a massive environmental cost.
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#49Whats really scary is that ICE is now working with a myriad of other bodies such as FBI, meaning they all get used to using this tech.
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#50Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape. The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.
gait recognition is a pseudoscience.