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Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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In 2006 I successfully copied all pictures off my Motorola Razr via Bluetooth to my PC in one go. Try doing that with your new iPhone Air. Who's losing old photos again?

Huh? I’ve been backing up my iPhone photos to my home server (running ZFS) since my first iPhone back in 2011. And Linux was my primary OS too. Not sure where that iPhone Air comment comes from.

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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Not only for early 2000's, even now people routinely keep ALL their photos on their phones, without making any copies. Take a photo -> send to someone -> keep them forever -> delete when there's no space left, that's standard lifecycle, at least in my circle.

You must be extremely young.

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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I backed up my photos religiously for years. From my first digital camera in like 1995. First to CD-ROMs, then DVD-ROMs, then hard drives, and I included online backups to Google Cloud (real backups via arq, not Google Photos).

My arq bot was running on my 2014 Intel Macbook Pro which would read the photos off my home server and back them up. (the server also being a local backup).

Then I got my M1 Mac and IIRC, arq didn't run there yet or required a newer version that was incompatible with the old or maybe I was just lazy. I don't remember clearly. That was 4 years ago.

Recently I thought I should really get that fixed and get my photos backed up again. My last 4 years of photos are not "backed up" to the cloud. They are backed up to my home server.

AND........ I'm starting to wonder if there is really a point. Do I really need those backups? A podcast I listen to went over how he wanted to leave his cherished books to his kids (all adults). But then he reflected that he didn't really want his dad's books and had the hard realization that his memories of his books are his and his alone and that his kids won't really want his books.

Similarly, my photos and the memories that go with them are almost all mine and mine alone and when I pass away, no one will want them. I actually scanned all of my grandmother's photo books, before she passed away. The majority of those photos have no meaning to me and she's not around to tell me what they are. Of course the ones close family are in have some meaning. Similarly, I scanned my dad's slide collection in like 2005 and none of the photos of him with friends or him with is 2nd wife have any meaning to me.

So, then my question to myself is. Do I really need to back them up more? To go through the trouble of setting up cloud storage, getting backup software working, dealing with the maintainance of that setup. If I lost them would it really be that bad?

Let me add, they are all uploaded to Google Photos, not as backup but as access, and phone based photos are also all auto-uploaded. I'd lose the origanziation I have in my personal backups, and the quality (don't have Google Photos set to full quality).

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

#44

In 2006 I successfully copied all pictures off my Motorola Razr via Bluetooth to my PC in one go. Try doing that with your new iPhone Air. Who's losing old photos again?

I regularly export photos from Apple Photos on my Macbook. You just cmd-a cmd-c cmd-v. Sure its clunky but it works.

There's also "Image Capture" (software included with your Mac) that will just pull the raw images directly off your phone.

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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I have a stack of old burned CD-Rs and DVD-Rs with old files, some of which are family photos. Success with pulling files off of them has been mixed. Some of the discs have visible pinholes in the reflective layer and others visually look fine but have scratched up surfaces.

Tooling and documentation for recovering damaged discs is sparse, which doesn't help matters. I've been meaning to try going to a local retro game shop to get some of the discs resurfaced but I'm skeptical that it'll make much difference.

As far as I'm aware those discs contain (or did contain) the only copies of a bunch of those files. There might be some old hard drives or CF cards kicking around the family house but I doubt it and even if there are, they've either since been wiped or have succumb to bitrot.

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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post #5

I think things like text messages and related memories are being lost because companies like apple jealously prevent exporting and saving. (camera roll allows export) Lots of relatives lost a phone or access to an account and with it, all photos from friends, text messages to deceased loved ones, and more. all this stuff should be exportable to multiple places for lots of backups on all kinds of media.

I've exported my entire photo collection from my iPad. Granted, it was on the smaller side. What I did was select all the photos, upload them to Google Drive, then download the resulting Drive folder onto my laptop. Terribly slow and hacky, and not something you'd want to do regularly, but as a one-off it worked well.

(I was getting rid of the device and simply wanted the entire collection of photos off it.)

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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If I wrote a similar article, its last paragraph would be a call-to-arms to save M-Disc, which the industry is - absurdly - abandoning.

M-Disc is the only real solution to preserving data a whole lifetime. It is the both the longest-lasting storage medium, and the most compatible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

#49
> "We totally lost all of our critical thinking skills " This nugget was buried in the article, and seems appropriate. I don't get where the author is coming from. If one doesn't take some level of responsibility and modicum of effort to preserve and safeguard something valuable to them, then yeah, it might get lost.

Re: Why your early 2000s photos are probably lost forever

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shrug I got my first digital camera in 2001 and still have all the photos from then as well as all the images I downloaded from the internet starting from 1991 through Usenet groups. I scanned all of my dad's old photos going back to 1965 and have our family photos going back to the 1930's. Everything is backed up twice and verify every file checksum twice a year. I know not everyone is a computer expert but 1) we ar…

> I know not everyone is a computer expert but 1) we are on Hacker News

This. Those arguing it's hard for their grandma: I can understand. Those arguing it's hard for themselves: there are probably better websites to frequent for them and I dispute their "hacker" status.

> Everything is backed up twice and verify every file checksum twice a year.

How do you do the checksum? Mine is added to the filename:

    DSC_00219347-b3-7e282693a4.jpg
meaning that file has a Blake3 checksum beginning with 7e282693a4. I've got both verification script doing random sampling (where at times I randomly verify x% of the files) and my rsync wrapper script doing a rsync dry-run (if the dry run detects a checksumed file that supposedly needs to be rsync'ed I'll verify the checksums and detect the bitrot'ed file if any).

HDDs (offline and both on-site and off-site), SSDs, dedicated servers, server at home running ZFS, ...

I plan to buy used LTO tape gear too.

P.S: I still have source code from DOS stuff I wrote in 1991 so there's that.

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