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NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are ...

... so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

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Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

The power thing is a red herring. "Analog" clocks are almost always electric and digital under the hood. And battery technology has been good enough for them to stay powered for longer than actual analog clocks for decades. If you really wanted to, you can create an entirely mechanical digital clock. The main benefit of the analog style output is in the ability to quickly read the output. You can get an approximate s…

Probably just auto-correct ... but it's "red herring".

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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post #30

> “That's a major skill that they're not used to at all,” she said. i get it but I don’t know if I would catastrophize this, because analog clock reading is borderline anachronistic and can be taught and learned in probably an hour.

30% of NYC public school students are functionally illiterate in high school. There is zero chance you will be able to teach them analog clock in a day and forget about an hour.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

My kids are spending hours of class time in school learning Roman numerals. The correct amount of education about Roman numerals is a short form video of math trivia when you're 23. Zero classroom time should be wasted on an inferior system of numerals.

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Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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post #19

When I was a kid, before kinder garden, I remember my parents beginning to teach me how to read an analogue clock.. But I this was the late 80s, maybe it was 1990, but, this thing called Digital Clocks were a thing at the time.. And I absolutely refused to learn that old fashioned shit when I was already staring right at the objectively better solution.. My reasoning was that the old clocks would either be replaced b…

Excuse me while I prima facie dismiss a kindergartner’s opinion on what is an “objectively” superior/inferior system.

It’s your opinion and prerogative, don’t try to masquerade it as settled truth.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Not sure it's entirely relevant, but I'm pretty sure that research done for instrumentation in aeroplane flight decks shows that information is transferred faster and more reliably from the instruments to the pilots when it's analogue.

That's why even the modern glass/digital instrument panels have simulated "tape".

They also include digital readouts for added accuracy, but it's the analogue versions that transfer information "at a glance".

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

> This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize?

- Gregg shorthand.

- Labanotation (like music scores, but for dance)

- Morse code

- Punched tickets (not for machines, but for train tickets and bus transfers)

- Railroad car chalk markings (where does this car go?)

- Hand signals for railroad yards, cranes, etc.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This framing aggravates me. Of course they /can/ read clocks. You just haven't _taught_ them how to do it yet, and up until now, they've had no reason to do it. It's divisive and weird.

I've worked in schools, we only have analogue clocks, phones are banned and I'm still constantly asked the time as they don't want to read them. Teaching them to do it is tough because it's incredibly uninteresting to them and someone will have a watch or something

We got taught in first and second grade, reading maps and navigating by them included. Was neccessity for Schnitzeljagd and other scavenger hunt-type games. But, to be fair, most kids already knew how to read timepieces.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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What boggles my mind is that some people see clocks everyday and don't have the curiosity to go learn about it.

We also see thousands of other things everyday. You can't be curious about everything.

Analog clocks, roman numerals and Morse code are unnecessary in modern living for 99%+ people, just like it's unnecessary for them to know why the moon always faces the same way or how a car engine works or what technologies are used by their computer monitor. It's good to know these facts exist and that they can be learned, but that's about it.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are spending hours of class time in school learning Roman numerals. The correct amount of education about Roman numerals is a short form video of math trivia when you're 23. Zero classroom time should be wasted on an inferior system of numerals.

How would one possibly hope to keep the Final Fantasy series straight without knowing Roman numerals?? It's already challenging knowing them

This is why God created ChatGPT.

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