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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by izacus »

frankzander wrote: post #33
pinkgolem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event.

There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by hxbdbehd »

slurrpurr wrote: post #39
pinkgolem wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades? I am getting more and more confused

Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years

Looking at the 34c3 Fahrplan, like a solid third of the talks are explicitly about politics

I don't get your point

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by jasonvorhe »

deknos wrote: post #34
frankzander wrote: post #26

From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.

again this myth. look at past fahrplans, there was always quite some political stuff. you just agreed with it and therefore it was not inconvenient.

So you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by pinkgolem »

slurrpurr wrote: post #39
pinkgolem wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades? I am getting more and more confused

Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years

The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher"

That's non political?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by jasonvorhe »

frankzander wrote: post #33
pinkgolem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025.

Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looking for, great, I'm not judging, it just doesn't click with me. I used to visit hackerpaces during my travels but regardless of how open and kind I approach a new place, once they ask me to mask up or inquire for my pronouns things just don't end well, even if I'm really polite in explaining my position. That's not the tolerance and open mindedness I encountered around 2009 during my first C3.

Still, I wish everyone attending the best of times. There's so many people there that I imagine you'll be able to find the right folks if you're there and look around.

Not looking for a debate or inciting hate towards anyone here.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by slurrpurr »

pinkgolem wrote: post #47
slurrpurr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years

The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher" That's non political?

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3

Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

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