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2025 was the year Xbox died

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Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by biophysboy »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #20
biophysboy wrote: post #14

I don't really want this future, but is there any reason why Sony hasn't just embedded Playstation into their TVs? It seems obvious to me that they could persuade people to buy their TV over others this way.

an interesting question that could go back to the PSX , at which point most entertainment related functions had already been integrated it's not like sony never gave it a shot (ref. KDL22PX300)

Wow, I had no idea either of these existed. I feel like they could give this another shot, given how sophisticated contract manufacturing has become.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by wpm »

websiteapi wrote: post #28

I will never, ever understand why the Xbox didn't just go with 1, 2, 3, etc. Even after the 360, why not do 720, 1080, etc? after the xbox ONE, why not xbox TWO, THREE, etc? Why go with Series S and X? it makes no sense - literally beyond my comprehension. so, going back to the article, xbox died for me the minute the xbox one came out. the name alone was indicative of a rot and disfunction beyond comprehension.

It's simple.

The people in charge of such decisions were too stupid or self-assured to realize or worry about such obvious problems.

There is no meritocracy. These billion dollar brands and endeavors, that have thousands of livelihoods tied up in them, are managed by absolutely brain dead bozos.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by jaggederest »

avonmach wrote: post #33

They should really not charge for the old Xbox Live subscription to play multiplayer and keep the subscriptions for access to the Netflix style library of games, long overdue.

You used to have Xbox Live Gold and Silver, they ought to just make a Bronze level that allows free multiplayer but spams you with ads, Silver allows multiplayer ad-free and a limited selection of rotated games ala the epic store freebies, and gold includes the Game Pass functionality + everything else and a special cosmetic tag so people know you're a Serious Gamer. Could even go with Xbox Live Diamond which is $100 a month and only includes a diamond tag and some microsoft store credit each month, to capture the financially irresponsible market.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by Telaneo »

troad wrote: post #32
websiteapi wrote: post #28

I will never, ever understand why the Xbox didn't just go with 1, 2, 3, etc. Even after the 360, why not do 720, 1080, etc? after the xbox ONE, why not xbox TWO, THREE, etc? Why go with Series S and X? it makes no sense - literally beyond my comprehension. so, going back to the article, xbox died for me the minute the xbox one came out. the name alone was indicative of a rot and disfunction beyond comprehension.

The established wisdom is that it is because the Xbox was one generation "behind" the PS. They didn't want to call the second Xbox an "Xbox 2" because people would assume it was intended to be a competitor to the PS2, when in fact it was a competitor to the PS3 - hence, "Xbox 360". They went off the deep end after that. Xbox One was a stupid name, as is the current alphabet soup. They should have gone from Xbox 360 t…

I imagine the going Xbox 360 -> Xbox 720 would just have been asking to people to joke about it being 720p (even if not actually, the picture quality joke basically writes itself).

The solution though was obviously not the brainworm reasoning that got us the Xbox One (nobody was going to call their console 'The One', cf. 'X-bone'). Your alternative of going straight to the Xbox 4 would probably have been considered a loss by the executives, but I imagine it at least wouldn't have been made fun of beyond the release period, since it would have been clear why they did the change.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by Molecule4373 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #23
1123581321 wrote: post #11

This is an opinion piece embodying a meme that willed itself into existence this year, mostly through social media and Youtube influencers. It was interesting to observe (and tedious as a friend watched dozens of hours of these videos and breathlessly repeated their contents to me.) At some point an Xbox executive had to respond to it to assure that they are working on the next Xbox console, which should've been obvi…

I'd be more impressed if an Xbox executive said that they weren't working on a new console, I mean I can't see how it can work as a business unless they change their attitude 200%. I trust those YouTubers more than I trust mainstream game journalists. In the current market for electronics I can't imagine a quantum leap in consoles at a sub-$1000 price point, it is not like NVIDIA or AMD gives a damn about gaming in t…

Imo it is just a matter of time until linux replaces Windows as the primary gaming OS. What ripple effects that will have idk, but I def think Windows will primarily become a casual computing OS

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by sodafountan »

I used to follow system wars. I used to love following which home console was performing the best and then hopping online and trolling the people who bought the console with the least support. I was a huge fan of the 360 when I was younger. It had a superior controller, awesome online play, and decent graphics. I was never a fan of Sony's consoles. I didn't like the controller layout, and the exclusives never appealed to me. I typically owned a Nintendo and a Microsoft console when I was a kid. I started with the N64, GameCube, 360, and I had an Xbox One.

I stopped following mainstream gaming not too long ago, to me, I just couldn't care less at this point. The Series X doesn't appeal to me at all as I've gotten older.

It would be interesting if Microsoft went the way of Sega and stopped producing home consoles. I still think they have the superior controller.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by Telaneo »

20k wrote: post #13

xbox went up in flames with the xbox one, which was around about when microsoft as a whole started to get run by business types that had no idea what they were doing whatsoever. 2013 was when xbox permanently lost the console 'war'

I doubt the war was truly lost on that faithful day in 2013. It was still possible to save, and Phil Spencer even did a decent amount of work trying to reclaim the goodwill of people by pushing for things like backwards compatibility for previous gen Xboxes.

I think the larger problem is just that Xbox doesn't really know what itself is. Sony has the same problem to a lesser extent. None of the current gen consoles have any exclusives of note. Sony have a few, while Microsoft have basically none. That alone gives Sony a big advantage. Meanwhile, in the PS4 days, people would buy one just for Bloodborne, while in the 360 days, they'd buy one just for Halo. Now Halo is on PC, so no longer an exclusive, and while the same goes for Sony, they still retain a bit of a default console status, which helps draw in the couch console crown who aren't interested in the PC. If you want a traditional console experience, you buy a PS5, since there's no real reason to buy the Xbox even if you did care to compare them side by side.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by pests »

opan wrote: post #15
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #10

The controller design/feel and the more seamless/intuitive online play & party handling kept me on the Xbox side of the fence for a looooooong time. That said, if I didn’t have to re-buy a bunch of content I already own and if I could avoid playing against MnK players while I’m on controller, I’d have already switched over entirely to using my workstation to play all my games. New purchases for myself and my kids are…

>and if I could avoid playing against MnK players while I’m on controller If you can stand to move away from an Xbox controller (they're the only ones without gyro still) and learn gyro/flick stick, it levels the playing field a lot more. Flick stick's instant turns even give it some advantages over KB+M. 8BitDo's controllers are the best-supported on Steam at the moment, with gyro, analog triggers, and back buttons…

I really hate UI button mismatch in steam. I grew up on PS controllers, I couldn't even tell you the xbox layout from memory. I was once forced to use a Switch controller (was traveling, forgot my main) while the in-screen UI was XBox. I had so much trouble at first, especially since the xbox and switch controllers share button names but even the "x" made me think of the playstation x. Just some musings.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by pests »

sodafountan wrote: post #46

I used to follow system wars. I used to love following which home console was performing the best and then hopping online and trolling the people who bought the console with the least support. I was a huge fan of the 360 when I was younger. It had a superior controller, awesome online play, and decent graphics. I was never a fan of Sony's consoles. I didn't like the controller layout, and the exclusives never appeale…

PS5 controller wins for me as I can use the base of my thumb / thumbpad to hit d-(up/down/right) without taking my thumb off the stick.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Post by apitman »

PaulHoule wrote: post #23
1123581321 wrote: post #11

This is an opinion piece embodying a meme that willed itself into existence this year, mostly through social media and Youtube influencers. It was interesting to observe (and tedious as a friend watched dozens of hours of these videos and breathlessly repeated their contents to me.) At some point an Xbox executive had to respond to it to assure that they are working on the next Xbox console, which should've been obvi…

I'd be more impressed if an Xbox executive said that they weren't working on a new console, I mean I can't see how it can work as a business unless they change their attitude 200%. I trust those YouTubers more than I trust mainstream game journalists. In the current market for electronics I can't imagine a quantum leap in consoles at a sub-$1000 price point, it is not like NVIDIA or AMD gives a damn about gaming in t…

What do you think of mid-tier Android handhelds like the Odin 3? I think these things are starting to look very interesting, especially when you factor in things like Winlator, Moonlight streaming, etc.
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