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Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by pmontra »

benoau wrote: post #31
MarleTangible wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over time they're going to touch things that people were waiting for Microsoft to do for years. I don't have an example in mind at the moment, but it's a lot better to make the changes yourself than wait for OS or console manufacturer to take action.

"It just works" sleep and hibernate. "Slide left or right" CPU and GPU underclocking.

Sleep and hibernate don't just work on Windows unless Microsoft work with laptop and boards manufacturers to make Windows play nice with all those drivers. It's inevitable that it's hit and miss on any other OS that manufacturers don't care much about. Apple does nearly everything inside their walls, that's why it just works.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by Brian_K_White »

bronson wrote: post #34
jorvi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean.. many SteamOS flavors (and Linux distros in general have) have switched to Meta's Kyber IO scheduler to fix microstutter issues.. the knife cuts both ways :)

Kyber is an I/O scheduler. Nothing to do with this article.

The comment was perfectly valid and topical and applicable. It doesn't matter what kind of improvement Meta supplied that everyone else took up. It could have been better cache invalidation or better usb mouse support.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by tayo42 »

chucky_z wrote: post #25
mikkupikku wrote: post #3

> SCX-LAVD has been worked on by Linux consulting firm Igalia under contract for Valve It seems like every time I read about this kind of stuff, it's being done by contractors. I think Proton is similar. Of course that makes it no less awesome, but it makes me wonder about the contractor to employee ratio at Valve. Do they pretty much stick to Steam/game development and contract out most of the rest?

This isn’t explicitly called out in any of the other comments in my opinion so I’ll state this. Valve as a company is incredibly focused internally on its business. Its business is games, game hardware, and game delivery. For anything outside of that purview instead of trying to build a huge internal team they contract out. I’m genuinely curious why other companies don’t do this style more often because it seems incr…

I feel like I rarely see contacting out work go well. This seems like an exception

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by mewse-hn »

smotched wrote: post #39
chucky_z wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t explicitly called out in any of the other comments in my opinion so I’ll state this. Valve as a company is incredibly focused internally on its business. Its business is games, game hardware, and game delivery. For anything outside of that purview instead of trying to build a huge internal team they contract out. I’m genuinely curious why other companies don’t do this style more often because it seems incr…

Whats the bad practices valve is doing in gambling?

Loot box style underage gambling in their live service games - TF2 hats, counterstrike skins, "trading cards", etc etc

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by duped »

MarleTangible wrote: post #26
Fiveplus wrote: post #17

Valve is practically singlehandedly dragging the Linux ecosystem forward in areas that nobody else wanted to touch. They needed Windows games to run on Linux so we got massive Proton/Wine advancements. They needed better display output for the deck and we got HDR and VRR support in wayland. They also needed smoother frame pacing and we got a scheduler that Zuck is now using to run data centers. Its funny to think tha…

Over time they're going to touch things that people were waiting for Microsoft to do for years. I don't have an example in mind at the moment, but it's a lot better to make the changes yourself than wait for OS or console manufacturer to take action.

> I don't have an example in mind at the moment

I do, MIDI 2.0. It's not because they're not doing it, just that they're doing it at a glacial pace compared to everyone else. They have reasons for this (a complete rewrite of the windows media services APIs and internals) but it's taken years and delays to do something that shipped on Linux over two years ago and on Apple more like 5 (although there were some protocol changes over that time).

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by Insanity »

pmontra wrote: post #41
benoau wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It just works" sleep and hibernate. "Slide left or right" CPU and GPU underclocking.

Sleep and hibernate don't just work on Windows unless Microsoft work with laptop and boards manufacturers to make Windows play nice with all those drivers. It's inevitable that it's hit and miss on any other OS that manufacturers don't care much about. Apple does nearly everything inside their walls, that's why it just works.

“It just works” sadly isn’t true across the Apple Ecosystem anymore.

Liquid Glass ruined multitasking UX on my iPad. :(

Also my macbook (m4 pro) has random freezes where finder becomes entirely unresponsive. Not sure yet why this happens but thankfully it’s pretty rare.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by cherryteastain »

senfiaj wrote: post #7
999900000999 wrote: post #2

That's the magic of open source. Valve can't say ohh noes you need a deluxe enterprise license.

In this case yes, but on the other hand Red Hat won't publish the RHEL code unless you have the binaries. The GPLv2 license requires you to provide the source code only if you provide the compiled binaries. In theory Meta can apply its own proprietary patches on Linux and don't publish the source code if it runs that patched Linux on its servers only.

Can't anyone get a RHEL instance on their favorite cloud, dnf install whatever packages they want sources of, email Redhat to demand the sources, and shut down the instance?

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by dijit »

asveikau wrote: post #38
MarleTangible wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over time they're going to touch things that people were waiting for Microsoft to do for years. I don't have an example in mind at the moment, but it's a lot better to make the changes yourself than wait for OS or console manufacturer to take action.

I was at Microsoft during the Windows 8 cycle. I remember hearing about a kernel feature I found interesting. Then I found linux had it for a few years at the time. I think the reality is that Linux is ahead on a lot of kernel stuff. More experimentation is happening.

yeah, but you have IO Completion Ports…

IO_Uring is still a pale imitation :(

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by dijit »

benoau wrote: post #31
MarleTangible wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over time they're going to touch things that people were waiting for Microsoft to do for years. I don't have an example in mind at the moment, but it's a lot better to make the changes yourself than wait for OS or console manufacturer to take action.

"It just works" sleep and hibernate. "Slide left or right" CPU and GPU underclocking.

“it just works” sleep was working, at least on basically every laptop I had the last 10 years…

until the new s2idle stuff that Microsoft and Intel have foisted on the world (to update your laptop while sleeping… I guess?)

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by 7bit »

ls612 wrote: post #35
Fiveplus wrote: post #17

Valve is practically singlehandedly dragging the Linux ecosystem forward in areas that nobody else wanted to touch. They needed Windows games to run on Linux so we got massive Proton/Wine advancements. They needed better display output for the deck and we got HDR and VRR support in wayland. They also needed smoother frame pacing and we got a scheduler that Zuck is now using to run data centers. Its funny to think tha…

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