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Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#41

There are rumors that there were 2 pilots aboard, and that one of them accidentally triggered autoland, and they couldn't figure out how to turn it off: https://vansairforce.net/threads/garmin-emergency-autoland-i...

And also didn't know how to work thr radio? Surely autoland doesn't disable communication

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#42
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Absolutely amazing. Well done, Garmin. Imagine getting to go to work everyday to work on something that actually saves lives. Fantastic systems engineering work.

You'd be even more impressed if you saw just how little resources they have to use (ram, storage, cpu), or how old of a C standard they have to work with. I have a few friends that work on this.

Seems like Java is popular at Garmin.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#43

Why doesn't it always autoland? We already have self driving cars, so a self flying plane seems imminent.

Very different standards - in its current form of emergency autoland it just needs to be proven to result in equal or better outcomes as a plane with no rated pilot onboard; the best case is another person that knows how to use the radio and can listen to instructions but the more likely case is a burning wreckage when the pilot is incapacitated.

To always auto land it needs to be as good as a fully trained and competent pilot, a much higher standard.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

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It's amazing what this technology can do. I wonder what the interface in the cockpit was like, who activated it and why, how it chose the runway, and other details that will likely come out in the final report if not earlier. I think the radio call could be improved a bit though. It spends sooo much time on the letters and so little on the "emergency" part. It almost runs that sentence together "Emergencyautolandinfo…

The cockpit side is very passenger friendly, it assumes zero aviation knowledge. It's a single button and once pressed the system will show on the screens that it's active, what to expect and where it is going. The passengers just sit and watch, while it tells you via voice and on the screens what's happening. No action required apart from the single button. It uses the navigation database (onboard) and weather data…

That's amazing.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All modern autopilot systems I've flown have have a LVL (or equivalent) button.

When did that happen? I recall the Air France crash over the Atlantic where the pilots got disoriented. And many others, like JFKjr's crash.

What does the AF 449 crash have to do with the existence of a button to return the aircraft to wings level + zero vertical speed?

To answer your question though, LVL has been around for close to two decades now. IIRC there was a Cirrus/Garmin partnership that added it to the latter's G1000/GFC 700 and it's since trickled out to other consumer-grade autopilots.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#47
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I've ridden on a King Air a few times. Surprised how fast the thing was, traveling west to east we sustained 600mph ground speed. Also pretty quiet interior given it's powered by turboprops.

350mph true cruise airspeed for the stock aircraft, so I suspect you had a bit of a tailwind there.

I bet on km/h vs mph mistake.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All modern autopilot systems I've flown have have a LVL (or equivalent) button.

When did that happen? I recall the Air France crash over the Atlantic where the pilots got disoriented. And many others, like JFKjr's crash.

IIRC, they were dealing with frozen pitot tubes or other sensors that were keeping the air data computing hardware from getting valid input. An automated "Get me out of trouble" button might have had the opposite effect.

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#49
post #41

There are rumors that there were 2 pilots aboard, and that one of them accidentally triggered autoland, and they couldn't figure out how to turn it off: https://vansairforce.net/threads/garmin-emergency-autoland-i...

And also didn't know how to work thr radio? Surely autoland doesn't disable communication

seems like an unlikely rumor to be true at this time

Re: Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe

#50
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be even more impressed if you saw just how little resources they have to use (ram, storage, cpu), or how old of a C standard they have to work with. I have a few friends that work on this.

Seems like Java is popular at Garmin.

And also — sadly — Monkey C. I cannot imagine what possessed them to invent their own scripting language for wearable device apps. It's sort of like JavaScript but worse and with minimal third-party tooling support.

https://developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/monkey-c/

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