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Jingle Bells (Batman Smells): An incomplete festive folk-rhyme taxonomy

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

icehawk wrote: post #33
randycupertino wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone else remember the 12 pains of Christmas? RIGGING UP THE LIGHTS!! Yo-ho, sending Christmas cards. The damn lightS!!! Facing my in laws! One light goes out, they all go out!!!!!!! FiiiiiIIIIIIiiiive months of bills!! She's a witch, I hate her. You're so smart, YOU rig up the lights! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMxgttJpbZE

It was several years after first time I heard this that, that i realized that #3 was an impression of Archie Bunker with: "Edith, get me a beer, huh.", "oh jeez look at this" and "oh who's got the terlit paper."

There’s probably not too many folks here, that even remember that show.

R.I.P. Meathead

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Post by canjobear »

gostsamo wrote: post #37
jdminhbg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My mother grew up in the Soviet Bloc Ah yes, famous racial utopias, all of them.

Surprisingly, communism was antiracist which explains why it was popular outside the US. There is the fact that many communists were racist on a personal level, but the state policies were inclusive due to the very nature of the ideology. As someone who also comes from the former block, I think that communism was a bad idea with terrible implementation but it also had its moments no matter what the US propaganda is t…

Are there particular successes that you have in mind? Because what comes to my mind is stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...

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Post by gostsamo »

rini17 wrote: post #38
gostsamo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly, communism was antiracist which explains why it was popular outside the US. There is the fact that many communists were racist on a personal level, but the state policies were inclusive due to the very nature of the ideology. As someone who also comes from the former block, I think that communism was a bad idea with terrible implementation but it also had its moments no matter what the US propaganda is t…

Have you heard about Roma? The communist states tried to help them but in a hamfisted ways like separating kids from parents. They did nothing to actually resolve racism. Many Roma ended up in squalor in segregated settlements. That goes on to this day and improves very slowly. It definitely was not "its moment".

So nice of you to teach me about the roma. I was sure to have never heard about them. /s

The history of gypsies and their segregation is much older though and the regimes inherited much of their attitude based on prior prejudices. The treatment differed in different times and locations. I've heard accounts of casual police brutality and of good integration in the local community and of a "leave everything as it is without engaging with hard problems". None of those was sanctioned on the bases of race theory and in fact the official stance was for equality. Compare it to the US where it was part of local and state legislation. On the other hand, the higher ups in the regimes were often repainted nationalists and common criminals of old so adherence to the ideals was often perfunctory and positive actions and outcomes were falling short of what was possible.

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Post by nephihaha »

jimnotgym wrote: post #18
nephihaha wrote: post #6

Does "While Shepherds Washed their Socks by Night" count?

While Shepherds watched their kidney beans All boiling in a pot A load of soot came tumbling down and spoiled the blinking lot Alternative. The Angel of the Lord came down and eat the blinking lot. Definitely British. Evidenced by the term 'kidney bean'

I know this as "when Shepherds washed their socks by night."

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Post by nephihaha »

mxmilkiib wrote: post #7

fwiw, from North East Fife (Scotland), it has been ('89/'90) "the Batmobile lost a wheel, and landed in the Tay", the Tay being the big volume river between Fife (the Scottie dog shaped bit on the East) n Dundee/Tayside (with the Tay having come via Perth etc)

Never heard that round there. I wouldn't count Dundee as "north east Scotland" either. Angus maybe. That's where they begin to sound like north easterners.

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Post by gostsamo »

canjobear wrote: post #43
gostsamo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly, communism was antiracist which explains why it was popular outside the US. There is the fact that many communists were racist on a personal level, but the state policies were inclusive due to the very nature of the ideology. As someone who also comes from the former block, I think that communism was a bad idea with terrible implementation but it also had its moments no matter what the US propaganda is t…

Are there particular successes that you have in mind? Because what comes to my mind is stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...

Yep, worker's rights, universal health care, women's rights (voting, divorce, abortion, generous maternity leave). Compared to Switzerland which allowed women voting rights in the seventies, communism was putting uncomfortable comparisons at some moments. If you wonder why communism was attractive, it wasn't just because of propaganda or because people were stupid, but because communism was addressing actual problems of the time that the christian conservative establishment of the west was preferring not to handle.

The fact that you put the tatars as the only thing to know about communism shows that you've learned one thing and found it sufficient. At the same time, the link you share shows how later communist leaders acknowledged Stalin's actions as a crime... I'm not here to defend communism though (mainly because it is not defendable), just to provide a perspective beyond the standard tropes.

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Post by dijit »

gostsamo wrote: post #37
jdminhbg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My mother grew up in the Soviet Bloc Ah yes, famous racial utopias, all of them.

Surprisingly, communism was antiracist which explains why it was popular outside the US. There is the fact that many communists were racist on a personal level, but the state policies were inclusive due to the very nature of the ideology. As someone who also comes from the former block, I think that communism was a bad idea with terrible implementation but it also had its moments no matter what the US propaganda is t…

People can’t think anything good of communism because they’re conditioned to feel that way.

Whats interesting is how equal it was for everyone, one comment I got when asking people who lived through the soviet era was that.

“there’s no advantage given to any religion” (hence, new years being the traditional family get together time). and “we were all comrades, men and women”. A lot of what they hear from the US about gender equality falls on deaf ears because thats what they had and they were told was bad.

A weird perspective, but certainly an interesting one.

It’s always difficult to hear things that doesn’t fit our narrative.

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Post by [deleted] »

gostsamo wrote: post #37
jdminhbg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My mother grew up in the Soviet Bloc Ah yes, famous racial utopias, all of them.

Surprisingly, communism was antiracist which explains why it was popular outside the US. There is the fact that many communists were racist on a personal level, but the state policies were inclusive due to the very nature of the ideology. As someone who also comes from the former block, I think that communism was a bad idea with terrible implementation but it also had its moments no matter what the US propaganda is t…

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