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Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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> Mostly because of Chrome's feature creep. I think I'm actually quite sensitive to that, but haven't felt about Chrome that way yet. Could you explain what features you mean in particular?

Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)

Isn't WebSQL supposed to be replaced by IndexedDB?(which FF has btw)

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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wonder if it will play nice with pentadactyl or vimperator or any other of the keyboard based browsing add-ons. Looks good though.

Plays nicely. Just pops you into insert-mode when you bring up the devbar and pops you back into normal when you exit.

Would be cool if Vimperator integrated it though! E.g., :! could give you access within the Vimp command line itself.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Firefox's lack of HiDPI support was killing my eyes, but I've been using Nightly builds and they look great. The only problem I see is that Flash plugins get confused about screen sizes (so YouTube has tiny control buttons).

The plugin support hasn't bothered me yet, and it's almost surprising. The amount of flash I use on a daily basis is so incredibly minimal these days. I've started using the built in plugin blocking with firefox. The only time I really turn it on is for Netflix and the occasional video that isn't part of the HTML5 beta on youtube is about it. ( not that any of this is an excuse to not fix the bug :P )

netflix is silverlight, not flash, though this is tangential to your point

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Firefox's lack of HiDPI support was killing my eyes, but I've been using Nightly builds and they look great. The only problem I see is that Flash plugins get confused about screen sizes (so YouTube has tiny control buttons).

The plugin support hasn't bothered me yet, and it's almost surprising. The amount of flash I use on a daily basis is so incredibly minimal these days. I've started using the built in plugin blocking with firefox. The only time I really turn it on is for Netflix and the occasional video that isn't part of the HTML5 beta on youtube is about it. ( not that any of this is an excuse to not fix the bug :P )

I usually start up a Chrome private browsing tab for Flash stuff, and use Firefox for most other stuff.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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> Mostly because of Chrome's feature creep. I think I'm actually quite sensitive to that, but haven't felt about Chrome that way yet. Could you explain what features you mean in particular?

Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)

Don't forget Dart!

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Lately Firefox started looking more atractive again. Mostly because of Chrome's feature creep. But probably I'm just overthinking it.

Firefox has been improving noticeably faster since Chrome came into the picture. Not just lately either. FF has gotten much faster, much less memory hungry, and added a lot of new features (many inspired by chrome).

I find I use both regularly, and which I use by default changes often, depending on the circumstance. E.g. they're both pretty fast these days, but on different things. FF seems more memory efficient overall, but chrome's per-tab-process thing makes it easier to manually reclaim memory by closing a tab (the per-tab-process also probably makes chrome less able to share memory between tabs, so there seems an inherent tradeoff, and explains FF's win here).

So it seems a virtuous cycle, and chrome's to be lauded not only for a great browser, but for heating up the browser race in a way that seems to have resulted in every browser improving.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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As a guy who writes software who doesn't write much html (because web is hard) I can't help but feel that having all these devtools built in by default, while nice for developers, seems silly to have wasting space on the hard drives of millions of users. They will never use the source viewers, live editing, page heuristics, etc, and it reeks of feature creep to me, and one product trying to be too many things at once.
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