Unmentioned in this article is the spread of small business pretend as a lifestyle, where someone signs a lease for the space, pays the rent, and never opens it or only after years of futzing around. They can do this because they have some other source of income, and it is just another aspect of wealth inequality that pretenders can outbid sincere small business operators. In my neighborhood we had a prominent corner store that was apparently vacant but actually had been leased by a restaurant that then spent 7 years intermittently remodeling the interior. Of course all the local NIMBYs spent the entire 7 years shouting about developers, but it wasn't their fault really.
Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
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Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#42Living in SoCal, I almost always prefer to order online. Most local businesses are losing to their e-commerce competitors; no wonder commercial spaces are empty.
I have a side business of a small e-commerce shop. I would consider having physical space just for the sake of luxury, but now I would rather spend that monthly rent on marketing online rather than paying for physical space.
IMHO, that's what is happening. Bank problems or anything else are secondary; if it were profitable to be at the physical location for the businesses, other factors would vanish.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#43One "Simple Fix" for cities, albeit with limited scope: Force your Planning Commission, Zoning Board, etc. to keep track of the vacancy rates for commercial space. Then use their powers to strongly discourage the construction of yet more vacant commercial space. And/or renovation of such space to other uses. EDIT: - Please do not assume some trivial straw-man implementation of this idea. That includes City organizati…
This policy would backfire greatly. For one, if I want to keep a competitor from expanding into my town, I'll just lease some commercial space and keep it vacant. That way they cannot build in my town.
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#44We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…
I’d support a land value tax myself so don’t take this following comment as criticism, but you don’t even need a land value tax in the case of LA. You do need to repeal Prop 13 for investment properties. I wager most of those years-vacant properties have a generous Prop 13 assessment and so the owner can just sit on it because their carrying cost is closer to zero than what it would be in any other tax regime. Then a…
We need to repeal Prop 13 completely. The fact that my neighbors pay 1/10th the property tax that I do, despite being younger and less at risk of being forced out of their home due to going fixed income or some financial crisis, is absurd.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#45This doesn't make sense to me, why is lowering rent by 30% any more "proof" that the building is not worth what's stated on the bill than having a 30% vacancy rate at the expected value? Aren't both subject to the same "market conditions" argument?
Agreed. I’ve always been skeptical of this argument, because it assumes the counterparty to these valuation models is consistently an idiot.
Counter party is either stupid, careless, on it or forced. I think often there is intermediaries involved. Say real estate investment fund. For which on paper in short term numbers looking good is enough. And in past environment as long as there was enough money coming in the ponzi could continue to run.
And other parties further can be say pension funds, which on paper are forced to search for anything that make their goals look good enough. Thus not doing enough due diligence.
Everything is fine until it is not. And this has been seen time after time.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#46A problem is that the externalities of leaving a space vacant are not priced in. Having a bunch of storefront vacant in an area makes it much less appealing and devalues all the other properties surrounding it. It does seem like a vacant storefront tax, which is briefly mentioned at the end of the article, could address this, if partially. This whole extend and pretend deal seems like it's simply accumulating risk ho…
A "vacant storefront tax" would easily be circumvented by a legal entity with a vending machine business or the "owner" themselves putting one of their "offices" there (a table).
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#47One "Simple Fix" for cities, albeit with limited scope: Force your Planning Commission, Zoning Board, etc. to keep track of the vacancy rates for commercial space. Then use their powers to strongly discourage the construction of yet more vacant commercial space. And/or renovation of such space to other uses. EDIT: - Please do not assume some trivial straw-man implementation of this idea. That includes City organizati…
That is a bad answer because it invites too much power to those commissions/boards. They already have a lot of power which they abuse (in places) to not allow things they don't like that would be good for the community.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#48We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…
I’d support a land value tax myself so don’t take this following comment as criticism, but you don’t even need a land value tax in the case of LA. You do need to repeal Prop 13 for investment properties. I wager most of those years-vacant properties have a generous Prop 13 assessment and so the owner can just sit on it because their carrying cost is closer to zero than what it would be in any other tax regime. Then a…
We were very close to repealing Prop 13 on commercial property a few years ago (via Prop 15).
One of the biggest objections to a straight repeal Prop 13 on commercial property is that most commercial leases are triple-net, meaning that the businesses directly pay the taxes. Which means that a bunch of small businesses that are just barely on the edge of profitability will shut down when they finally have to pay their fair share of property tax.
Agreed on the need to do it though (and also Texas typically has higher taxes for a normal person, with worse services than California). We might just want to pass a gradual phase in or a requirement that landowners pay it without increasing rent )and doing reach through to modify all those triple net leases... or something. Or we just let the businesses fail, but the public tends to not like lots of small businesses failing.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#49We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…
Some businesses survive because they already own the property or have long time leases.
Sometimes the last lessee is still on the hook for the remainder of the lease due to landlord improvements for the tenant. Had a friend lease a retail storefront, his business failed, but he still was coughing up rent to the landlord until the space was leased again. He was a sole proprietor and had to personally guarantee the lease. It was in his best interests to pay it rather than take the hit to his credit by defaulting on the lease.
My guess is a already wealthy landlord would probably be motivated to ride out the remainder of an existing lease and write off any unpaid amount as a loss before lowering the price to attract another business into the space.
Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would just devalue the surrounding property even more. This is why "we should just do X" is almost always a bad idea.
By "devalue" you mean "lower the price of" which... seems fine? Useful assets being cheaper is a good thing.
As long as you're not the owner of said asset.