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Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#41
post #5

SSH is my "personal cloud"...

This seems a lot easier for the average consumer.

Does it?

Half of the IT team I am on is seemingly incapable of understanding using a public/private keypair for SSH logins.

Can I use yours? How to copy them? Should they be unique per user? Should I email the private key? Etc?

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#42

Can it really run local LLMs at any decent size? I find it hard to believe for the price it can run anything more than 7b or 8b models slowly.

according to [0] it looks like the "Umbrel Home" device they sell (with 16GB RAM and an N150 CPU) can run a 7B model at 2.7 tokens/sec, or a 13B model at 1.5 t/s.

especially when they seem to be aiming for a not-terribly-technical market segment, there seems to be a pretty big mismatch between that performance and their website claims:

> The most transformative technology of our generation shouldn't be confined to corporate data centers. Umbrel Home democratizes access to AI, allowing you to run powerful models on a device you own and control.

0: https://github.com/getumbrel/llama-gpt?tab=readme-ov-file#be...

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#44
post #14

So they say they built umbrelOS from the ground up... Did they really? I'm guessing this is a BSD of some kind? Or have they actually built their own kernel from scratch? I kinda doubt it, and it was hard to tell, even their GitHub readme.md is just marketing material, not the tech specifics for Devs I'm used to finding there.

"If you wish to make an [operating system] from scratch, you must first invent the universe."

It's just weird that I couldn't find any info on which kernel they use. Linux seems the obvious choice for the task (most internet facing servers run Linux after all), but my (admittedly very poor) understanding of the GNU licence is that derivative works also needs to be published under the GNU licence? And they're using a different licence..

So.... BSD?

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#45
> Store your files, download and stream media, run a Bitcoin node, and more — all in your home.

Run a Bitcoin node? No, thanks, I don’t want my files anywhere near a crypto bro cloud box.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#46
Downtime and backups is why I don't take self-hosted more seriously. If I could easily be up and running after a hardware failure or software upgrade failure, I would pay for that in a heartbeat and ditch the comparable SaaS.

As for now, I run Immich but keep Google photos around as I'm afraid to upgrade it and don't have confidence on restoring it if my server dies. See how long and full of warning messages their backup and restore page is https://docs.immich.app/administration/backup-and-restore/.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#47

This looks really well done. The software is both well-designed (from UX / UI pov) AND it's OSS AND it's just an SSD / NAS underneath it all, I think this kind of thing is a welcome addition to the market.

The entire UI seems lifted from icloud and osx. I can't even tell the difference

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#48

Downtime and backups is why I don't take self-hosted more seriously. If I could easily be up and running after a hardware failure or software upgrade failure, I would pay for that in a heartbeat and ditch the comparable SaaS. As for now, I run Immich but keep Google photos around as I'm afraid to upgrade it and don't have confidence on restoring it if my server dies. See how long and full of warning messages their ba…

Wouldn't this be solved easily with a cheap VPS and backup?

Do you even really get hardware failires with VPSs today?

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#49
I want a personal cloud, but one that can be hosted in an actual cloud.

Ideally, I think we would something like Sandstorm but that can be deployed on everything from a home server to a Docker-based cloud service like Google Cloud Run or... Amazon Fargate (I'm not too familiar with their services).

I don't use the cloud for scaling, but so that I never have to worry about power, internet, or machine-level security.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#50

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

Sorry, isn't this running an open-source OS? The header has a link to a github with a non-commercial license[0]. If so, couldn't you just use the OS on non-premium-priced mini-PC hardware and never have to worry about them locking you out of your box? I guess maybe it's concerning if you're being forced to update by the OS? I've never actually run a system like that, but was considering umbrel OS (didn't actually kno…

A non-commercial license prevents it from being open-source, and I think already constitutes extremely clear communication about what will happen to users when Umbrel goes bankrupt: they will be stranded, because the license doesn't allow another company to step up and take over maintenance the way an open-source license would.
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