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Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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The irony is that I tried to access the link here but reddit blocks VPN access aggressively.

Across 3 VPN providers I use, none of them have issues accessing reddit anonymously. There are nodes/regions that are blocked, but finding a working server isn't hard.

Might be you're logged in? I often hit a block when using (proton) vpn if I'm logged out but not otherwise.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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You can't just blanket block all VPN access, that's not how the internet works... they could pick some common/well-known providers of VPN services and block their IPs/ASN/etc., but you can't just flip a switch and make all forms of VPN/proxy stop working, as there's no way to tell with certainty that someone is using one.

MTU detection is the easiest one. Sucks for people with ISPs that don't do 1500 bytes but those are rare.

Isn‘t sub-1500 bytes the norm for residential internet access? (DOCSIS and DSL with PPPoE are the most common access protocols here in Germany)

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Tailscale is really not that hard to set up. There's an Apple TV app for it, even. And who doesn't have some friend in another state or country that would like an Apple TV?

I am concerned that this comment reads like an advert, it's completely unnecessary and out of touch.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Last night I was blocked from HBOMAX (or whatever brand they go by these days) for being on a VPN. That was the first time I've ever encountered something like that on HBOMAX. I wonder if there is some coordinating event here.

Did the error condition actually call out "VPN use" ? Did the HBO UI actually call out, by that term, a VPN ?

... or were you simply using a VPN and that's the most likely culprit for a general failure of the service ?

Genuinely curious ...

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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MTU detection is the easiest one. Sucks for people with ISPs that don't do 1500 bytes but those are rare.

looks at Japan, UK (OpenReach), and a lot of other places still using PPPoE (on fiber!) for complicated reasons

Some of those (including many providers on Openreach) will support mini-jumbo frames that allow an MTU of 1500 inside pppoe.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Tailscale is really not that hard to set up. There's an Apple TV app for it, even. And who doesn't have some friend in another state or country that would like an Apple TV?

Your friends don't find it uneasy that you can be tunneling illegal activities through their internet connection and have the FBI knocking at their door in a few months?

Exactly, I have friends from other countries. Friends I really like, I would not give a VPN access to my internet connection to most of them. They have to be the perfect intersection of technically competent (so that their computer doesn't get turned into a botnet) and fully trustworthy.

I do actually give VPN access to my mother that is not technically competent but I have full access to her computer and locked her down as much as possible

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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I connect to my residential ISP in the USA via VPN all the time and have never had issues with being blocked for VPN use. Maybe they mean commercial VPN providers that run on the cloud?

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Here's me making a similar argument a month or so ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45926849

Besides the political implications, I think we should try to find an objective taxonomy, it's clear that privacy VPNs and network security VPNs are different products semantically, commercially and legally, even if the same core tech is used.

Possibly the configuration and network topology is different even, making it a technically different product, similar to how a DNS might be either an authorative server for a TLD, an ISP proxy for an end user, a consumer blacklist like pihole, or an industrial blacklist like spamhaus. It would be a non trivial mistake to conflate any pair of those and bring one up in an argument that refers to the other.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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The exhausting "well actually" masks a corrosive argument, that if you can't enforce the rules in a rigid and rigorous fashion, the rule is fiat. It's not that he doesn't know the difference. He's making the argument that since there's no _technical_ difference there can be no legal difference.

And this is rather an anemic take. The (proposed) UK VPN ban that was recently discussed here have a definition on what exactly is a "VPN" for the purposes of the ban (basically "VPNs generally advertised to normal consumers") but a lot simply shouted "ssh go brr" (and definitely did not read the proposed law). These "let's go techical" thinking never flies with the poeple who makes such legislation, and in (probably…

I have worked for fintech companies that mandate VPN use as a security measure.

It's going to be interesting when the majority of the UK accesses the internet via VPN because of the increasingly ridiculous hoops that the UK makes them go through, and the government tries to stop them while also allowing VPNs to be used by the tech sector.

I agree, these are two separate legal processes powered by the same technology. But the internet doesn't have any awareness of legality (thankfully) so we're stuck with only the technical meaning.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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What's the motivation for blocking VPN read access for this and other services? Are AI scrapers using commercial VPNs to get around rate limiting?

I suspect country level licensing, soundcloud I sometimes seen songs "not available in your country" or something along those lines

Yes mostly about this. I can't use SoundCloud (or Spotify) in Serato DJ Pro to connect and play songs, not available in my country. But Apple Music connected, so moving my archive there.
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