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Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by seneca »

popalchemist wrote: post #34
hellojesus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

> If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

Claiming that all non-union companies are inherently operating via "unfair exploitation of its staff" is ridiculous. It's entirely possible for a labor union to go too far and drive a company to become noncompetitive.

These sort of canned answers are empty claptrap and not really fit for an honest discussion.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by khannn »

podgorniy wrote: post #20

Good for them. During economic downturns, when fewer resources are available for redistribution, collective action across population groups can help address worsening power imbalances.

I don't understand the video game industry from an insider perspective, but is it wise for id Software to unionize after Doom: The Dark Ages didn't do as well as Eternal? I haven't spoken to anyone who mentioned D:TDA IRL, but knew a fair amount of people who preordered Eternal.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by prewett »

popalchemist wrote: post #34
hellojesus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

That assumes that the union never unfairly exploits the company. I think historical evidence shows that unions sometimes do exploit the company (and that union leaders sometimes exploit the members). Humans exploiting other humans is a flaw of all of us, not just corporate management.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by Manuel_D »

popalchemist wrote: post #34
hellojesus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

The workers aren't drones, they have the agency to choose another job. If a company is underpaying workers relative to the rest of the market, they'll struggle to hire and retain employees without the interference of a union.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by c-hendricks »

hellojesus wrote: post #28
podgorniy wrote: post #20

Good for them. During economic downturns, when fewer resources are available for redistribution, collective action across population groups can help address worsening power imbalances.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

They got ... $700 million bailout from the government and put part of the blame on not being able to secure a $50 million benefits package?

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by scrollaway »

popalchemist wrote: post #34
hellojesus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

Your theory only holds in the case that there is unfair exploitation happening. This is not that easy to define beyond salary averages…

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

popalchemist wrote: post #34
hellojesus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an extent. There is always the chance that the collective action discounts the impact to the business too heavily and ends up driving the company under, making the outcomes worse for everyone. We saw this a couple years ago with Yellow Trucking.

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

Perhaps. But that's cold comfort to someone who doesn't have a job because the company went out of business. You would have to be an enormous asshole to say "it'll result in a better equilibrium" to someone who just lost his job.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by ge96 »

khannn wrote: post #42
podgorniy wrote: post #20

Good for them. During economic downturns, when fewer resources are available for redistribution, collective action across population groups can help address worsening power imbalances.

I don't understand the video game industry from an insider perspective, but is it wise for id Software to unionize after Doom: The Dark Ages didn't do as well as Eternal? I haven't spoken to anyone who mentioned D:TDA IRL, but knew a fair amount of people who preordered Eternal.

TDA was so good timing the parrying. Eternal too, once you play these games the other games are slow in comparison imo.

Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union

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Post by daft_pink »

I don’t understand what gives the union power at the end of the day when the company could easily outsource development and license their ip and fire everyone.

Automotive plants have large factories, but when the primary assets are intangible intellectual property, I don’t understand how much power a union really has.

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