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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by NitpickLawyer » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

isodev wrote: post #29

pluralmonad wrote: post #3

I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks "Vibe CLI" sounds like an unserious tool. I use Claude Code a lot and little of it is what I would consider Vibe Coding.

If you’re letting Claude write code you’re vibe coding

The original definition was very different. The main thing with vibe coding is that you don't care about the code. You don't even look at the code. You prompt, test that you got what you wanted, and move on. You can absolutely use cc to vibe code. But you can also use it to ... code based on prompts. Or specs. Or docs. Or whatever else. The difference is if you want / care to look at the code or not.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by da_grift_shift » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

Can Vibe CLI help me vibe code PRs for when I vibe on the https://github.com/buttplugio/buttplug repo?

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

isodev wrote: post #29

pluralmonad wrote: post #3

I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks "Vibe CLI" sounds like an unserious tool. I use Claude Code a lot and little of it is what I would consider Vibe Coding.

If you’re letting Claude write code you’re vibe coding

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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by andai » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

da_grift_shift wrote: post #42

Can Vibe CLI help me vibe code PRs for when I vibe on the https://github.com/buttplugio/buttplug repo?

You can do anything if you believe.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by amarcheschi » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:03 PM UTC

phildougherty wrote: post #25

pzmarzly wrote: post #15

10x cheaper price per token than Claude, am I reading it right? As long as it doesn't mean 10x worse performance, that's a good selling point.

Even if it is 10x cheaper and 2x worse it's going to eat up even more tokens spinning its wheels trying to implement things or squash bugs and you may end up spending more because of that. Or at least spending way more of your time.

The benchmark of swe places it in a comparable score with respect to open models and just a few points below the top notch models though

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by fastball » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:05 PM UTC

pzmarzly wrote: post #15

10x cheaper price per token than Claude, am I reading it right? As long as it doesn't mean 10x worse performance, that's a good selling point.

Is it? The actual SOTA are not amazing at coding, so at least for me there is absolutely no reason to optimize on price at the moment. If I am going to use an LLM for coding it makes little sense to settle for a worse coder.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by therealmarv » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:07 PM UTC

offtopic but it hurts my eyes: I dislike for their font choice and their "cool looks" in their graphics.

Surprising and good is only: Everything including graphics fixed when clicking my "speedreader" button in Brave. So they are doing that "cool look" by CSS.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by jrm4 » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #34

Arcuru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I really like the normalization of these "Permissively" licensed models that only restrict companies with massive revenues from using them for free. If you want to use something, and your company makes $240,000,000 in annual revenue, you should probably pay for it.

That's fine, but I don't think you should call it open source or call it MIT or even 'modified MIT.' Call it Mistral license or something along those lines

You're presently illustrating exactly why Stallman et al were such sticklers about "Free Software."

"Open Source" is nebulous. It reasonably works here, for better or worse.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by fastball » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #34

Arcuru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I really like the normalization of these "Permissively" licensed models that only restrict companies with massive revenues from using them for free. If you want to use something, and your company makes $240,000,000 in annual revenue, you should probably pay for it.

That's fine, but I don't think you should call it open source or call it MIT or even 'modified MIT.' Call it Mistral license or something along those lines

imo this is a hill people need to stop dying on. Open source means "I can see the source" to most of the world. Wishing it meant "very permissively licensed" to everyone is a lost cause.

And honestly it wasn't a good hill to begin with: if what you are talking about is the license, call it "open license". The source code is out in the open, so it is "open source". This is why the purists have lost ground to practical usage.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by jrm4 » Tue, Dec 09, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #18

badsectoracula wrote: post #16

> Devstral 2 ships under a modified MIT license, while Devstral Small 2 uses Apache 2.0. Both are open-source and permissively licensed to accelerate distributed intelligence. Uh, the "Modified MIT license" here[0] for Devstral 2 doesn't look particularly permissively licensed (or open-source): > 2. You are not authorized to exercise any rights under this license if the global consolidated monthly revenue of your com…

Mistral have used janky licenses in that a few times in the past. I was hoping the competition from China might have snapped them out of it.

All "Open Source" licenses are to an extent, janky. Obligatory "Stallman was right;" -- If it's not GPL/Free Software, YMMV.