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EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> Europe should fight its own wars.

We... do? Of course, if you'd like to name whatever wars we're a) involved with and b) not fighting ourselves, then that would be splendid.

Anyway, how is that relevant to enforcing the DSA on X?

> We civilized them. And we may have to civilize them again.

What does this even mean? What do you mean by "civilize"? Also this sounds very much like how colonialism and imperialism were justified back in the 19th and 20th centuries.

But again, what does this have to do with X and DSA?

> But until they turn to yet another genocide maybe we should just let the Europeans have at each other.

Russia is currently conducting a genocide over in Ukraine, for example by kidnapping children and bringing them over to Russia and beyond, for example to North Korea.

This is a war crime and also genocidal. So by your admission you ought to be helping.

But again, what does this have to do with X and DSA?

> We can pay them the $150m to let them take care of Ukraine themselves. It was bad enough we had to drag them by the nose to the water. Maybe enough is enough.

We are taking care of Ukraine. Most of the aid is coming from various EU states, and the organisation itself.

Of course, the United States is the largest singular donator and also has donated some very important capabilities to Ukraine, for which people should be and are thankful for, but the claim that Europe isn't doing anything for Ukraine is just false. Could we do more? Absolutely. Should we? Yes. But that doesn't mean that nothing is happening.

But I must ask again, what does this have to do with X or the DSA?

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> Europe should fight its own wars. We... do? Of course, if you'd like to name whatever wars we're a) involved with and b) not fighting ourselves, then that would be splendid. Anyway, how is that relevant to enforcing the DSA on X? > We civilized them. And we may have to civilize them again. What does this even mean? What do you mean by "civilize"? Also this sounds very much like how colonialism and imperialism were…

> What does this even mean? What do you mean by "civilize"?

Teach them not to gas millions of people, that kind of thing. Nothing outrageous or anything.

> Russia is currently conducting a genocide over in Ukraine, for example by kidnapping children and bringing them over to Russia and beyond, for example to North Korea.

Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to the standard. The former perhaps not.

To be honest, at first I thought we had to help a European country being invaded by Russia, but over time I've realized that Europeans mostly don't want us there. This is an internal affair for them. Some Europeans killing other Europeans. If it gets to the millions of civilians dead, then yeah they've fallen back into their atavistic ways and we have to go clean up again. But otherwise you kind of have to let Europeans be Europeans.

Blowing up their pipeline to get them to help themselves was unnecessary. If they don't want to help, they don't have to. It's up to them. We've got stuff to deal with. And they don't appreciate it anyway. They primarily treat the US as some kind of pinata to pop out money and weapons any time they decide to go kill each other.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Don't do business in Europe if you don't like it. It's not hard. And if you must use these kind of loaded terms, insisting you MUST be allowed to do business on YOUR TERMS and your terms alone is pretty much how colonisation started.

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Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> Europe should fight its own wars. We civilized them. It's a whole new level of naive if you think the Nazi's would have left the US alone after they were done with Europe.

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^

This sort of shit-tier troll post is what you'll find in X times a million, because it's probably amplified by bots.

I'd be happy to see X gone. You won't be missed.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Europe does tax its people a lot more. So the argument doesn't make sense.

Taxes which are used wisely for the people’s benefit is not a wasteful thing. That was the point original commentator made. Your reasoning is that taxation is always bad and the more you pay the worst, a very American view which I can understand given how badly US government spends money in this regard.

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Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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^ This sort of shit-tier troll post is what you'll find in X times a million, because it's probably amplified by bots. I'd be happy to see X gone. You won't be missed.

How is it wrong? The US had nukes, Germany didnt. The US showed a willingness to use them too. Twice in fact.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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^ This sort of shit-tier troll post is what you'll find in X times a million, because it's probably amplified by bots. I'd be happy to see X gone. You won't be missed.

How is it wrong? The US had nukes, Germany didnt. The US showed a willingness to use them too. Twice in fact.

Let's see;

\1 In real actual history, the US didn't developed a working nuclear weapon based on UK provided designs until after the German surrender.

So in real history there was no chance to "glass" an active EU war zone during WWII.

\2 In the GP's fantasy history in which the US left Europe alone to deal with the Nazi's on their own, the MAUD folk would have never passed on their research to the US and the US would have wallowed in their belief that nuclear weapons were impractical and continued on messing about with atomic power from big piles.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Why can a company be fined for not allowing "researchers" access to data? That seems bizarre to me.

why? what seems bizarre to me is that platforms of such whitespread use and public interest can be bought and ruined by some random person

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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The DSA is decades overdue. It's absurd that there hasn't been one. There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly. To call it a "negotiation tool" is like calling literally any import tax or tariff - of which hundreds of thousands existed and were entirely accepted as squarely in the Overton Window long before Trump took office - purely a "negotiation tool". Just becaus…

> There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly Not really. Most of them offer significant carve-outs for American BigTech companies, or their implementation has been stayed, or significant capex subsidizes are provided to help reduce their impact for American BigTechs considering FDI in those countries. It has been a DNC supported policy [0] as well to put pressure on…

You're still not explaining how the DSA is supposedly a negotiating tactic from the EU any more than you could say that about GDPR. It's a new legal framewo tackling a relatively new set of problems. If any of them get watered down because of deals with the US, then you could make that sort of claim.

> Anyhow, we've unofficially signalled we are leaving the responsibility of Europe's defenses to Europe by 2027 [6] - meaning member states have no choice but to end up buying American gear or completely vacillate to Russia on Ukraine.

Or just buying from the existing European providers? Most American gear has a (sometimes better, cf. all the stuff even the US buys from European companies) European based equivalent. The only major exception is the F-35, but at least one 6th gen European jet is in the works, and unless fighting with the US, an 5th gen stealth fighter isn't really that needed. European manufacturers need to increase output, and they have been working on it and have done so quite a lot already.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> "Europe is taxing Americans to subsidize a continent held back by Europe’s own suffocating regulations," Carr said. And America is taxing Americans via tariffs to subsidize a corrupt executive branch lining its own pockets. At least Europe is looking out for a whole continent. Not just a handful of grifters.

Europe does tax its people a lot more. So the argument doesn't make sense.

Actually the difference isn't that big when you consider that "taxes" (I'm using this to describe all (semi-)mandatory state money extraction from revenues, whether they're called tax, insurance, cotisation, etc) in European countries cover the majority of healthcare and retirement costs that Americans pay out of pocket. But still have to pay. So if the US had the same "tax" model as European countries do, the rate wouldn't be that off (VAT is usually higher than American sales taxes, income tax often has higher brackets, but Americans spend a lot more on healthcare and retirement).
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