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Django is awesome, but I wish there was an easy way to use modern web frameworks with it. A lot of times it's either through Nextjs/Nuxtjs + Django as an API or complex bundling process which requires a file where you register bundle versions/manifests then another build process which embeds them into template both are so complex
What is the Java equivalent of Django? I really love django and everything around it, but I would also like to write a webapp in Java. Getting django + rest_framework up and running and actually be productive takes me max 10 minutes, trying to do the same with spring boot I am a week in and I had to open the jakarta specs to understand the magic.
One thing Django has going for it is that the "batteries included" nature of it is perfect for AI code generation. You can get a working site with the usual featuers (admin panel, logins, forgot reset/password flow, etc) with minimal code thanks to the richness of the ecosystem, and because of the minimal code it's relatively easy for the AI to keep iterating on it since it's small enough to be understandable in cont…
why would you need batteries included? the ai can code most integrations (from scratch, if you want, so if you need something slightly off the beaten path it's easy
Sure, the AI _can_ code integrations, but it now has to maintain them, and might be tempted to modify them when it doesn't need to (leaky abstractions), adding cognitive load (in LLM parlance: "context pollution") and leading to worse results.
Batteries-included = AI and humans write less code, get more "headspace"/"free context" to focus on what "really matters".
As a very very heavy LLM user, I also notice that projects tend to be much easier for LLMs (and humans alike) to work on when they use opinionated well-established frameworks.
Nonetheless, I'm positive in a couple of years we'll have found a way for LLMs to be equally good, if not better, with other frameworks. I think we'll find mechanisms to have LLMs learn libraries and projects on the fly much better. I can imagine crazy scenarios where LLMs train smaller LLMs on project parts or libraries so they don't get context pollution but also don't need a full-retraining (or incredibly pricey inference). I can also think of a system in line with Anthropic's view of skills, where LLMs very intelligently switch their knowledge on or off. The technology isn't there yet, but we're moving FAST!
Love this era!!
Show of hands for backend web services development - Who uses Django, Rails, or similar full-featured frameworks? Who uses micro-frameworks like Flask? Who uses enterprise Java, Jetty, Dot Net, etc.? Who uses an entirely Javascript stack? Who uses a non-traditional language that has become more web-servicey, like Go, Rust, or Swift? Who uses something so wildly untraditional that it's barely mentioned? OkCupid using…
In what sense is Go not a traditional language for web services? They're almost the only thing it's good at, and it's been doing them for 13 years.
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Love it! Which version of Perl are you using, and what type of service(s) are you maintaining? Is this older software, or do you use it for new projects too? Have you rolled any sort of framework yourself? What are your thoughts on Raku?
I target 5.10.1 mostly. This is for a project I started in the late 90's. It uses CGI::Application, which is less a framework and more a method lookup table converter of queries (although I built a path info convertor on top of that). It's still maintained, although before Covid, it was my livelihood. About a quarter of a million lines of code, excluding the libraries I pull in. I'm mostly self-taught, they wouldn't…
Show of hands for backend web services development - Who uses Django, Rails, or similar full-featured frameworks? Who uses micro-frameworks like Flask? Who uses enterprise Java, Jetty, Dot Net, etc.? Who uses an entirely Javascript stack? Who uses a non-traditional language that has become more web-servicey, like Go, Rust, or Swift? Who uses something so wildly untraditional that it's barely mentioned? OkCupid using…
My only (small) complain with this release would be that they included the task framework but didn't include a task backend and worker. I'd prefer to wait a bit and include everything in the next version.
Show of hands for backend web services development - Who uses Django, Rails, or similar full-featured frameworks? Who uses micro-frameworks like Flask? Who uses enterprise Java, Jetty, Dot Net, etc.? Who uses an entirely Javascript stack? Who uses a non-traditional language that has become more web-servicey, like Go, Rust, or Swift? Who uses something so wildly untraditional that it's barely mentioned? OkCupid using…
Django just makes life 1000x easier. Can architect an app with data models, api, openapi, etc. within an hour.
What is the Java equivalent of Django? I really love django and everything around it, but I would also like to write a webapp in Java. Getting django + rest_framework up and running and actually be productive takes me max 10 minutes, trying to do the same with spring boot I am a week in and I had to open the jakarta specs to understand the magic.
I feel your pain, I myself am working on a react frontend + spring boot backend and fiddling with it to integrate with spring session, security, etc properly was a HUGE pain because neither world knows anything at all about each other. If I did it from scratch I'd just "rails new myapp" and be done already.