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Re: Stop talking

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #29

This is terrible advice that will hurt your career progression. The problem isn't that people speak out too much. It's that basically no one is proactive enough to speak out. In my experience the people who speak are the people who get promoted.

Knowing when to shut up is great advice and knowing how the wind is blowing. If I know their is an edict from the top down to be an “AI first company”, no matter how much I disagree with an initiative that comes from on high, I’m going to shut up and be all in.

“The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.”

The last time I worked for a product company was as at a startup where I was the second technical hire by the then new CTO who was building up the technical staff internally. The founders bootstrapped the company through an outside consulting company.

There I had a relationship with the CTO where I could just say “that’s a really bad idea” and he would listen.

Fast forward a few years and I was working for a shitty consulting company, I kept my head down for a year, let them fail after I was sure they wouldn’t listen to me and started interviewing and only stayed a year.

My career progression isn’t dependent on the job I have at the moment.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #11
catigula wrote: post #3

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That might be because the thing is whole-cloth generated from AI, but given that the author has a .in email address, it also might be that English is not their first language but they want to reach a broader audience with their message so they used AI to translate it into the lingua franca of modern technical and scientific discussion (which is, this is always funny to me, not franca ). AI generators do a better job…

As someone struggling to learn a second language, I would have a lot more sympathy from someone using bad incorrect English than someone passing off AI Slop as their own.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by deelayman »

> If no one asked and no one is on the hook to change anything: Stop talking.

It seems like a matter of knowing who to talk to about what. I don't think the solution is to stop talking to everyone.

Presenting a rationale for something worthy of addressing (need/problem/opportunity) needs to be communicated somehow, and convincingly. In person, in writing, or a simple business case.

From my non-tech background, priorities are fluid, and things that are rationalized as urgent and important are given resources and attention.

If there is someone like the author spinning wheels in frustration, then maybe there's a problem with the organization aligning everyone on goals/objectives/outcomes -> leading to misaligned solutions being raised, and deaf ears. Or, maybe there's no opportunity to raise solutions with the right people.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by rglover »

giardini wrote: post #35

Bad idea. I want people working around me to notice, be uncomfortable and especially speak up if something is amiss. Unless you work in a malignant environment, this should be normal behavior.

Based on the results (not to mention the Green Mile "I'm tired boss" look on most people's faces), I'd imagine most workplaces are malignant environments.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by NickyD »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #24

It can be helpful to flip the lens from critic to creator. Instead of asking "what's wrong with this thing" instead ask: Who deserves praise? What spark here deserves to grow? What new thing am I trying myself? Who left today better because I showed up? What's something I (personally) could have improved? What mistake or new facts have I learned from/ widened by view?

This person is being unfairly categorized in multiple posts as someone just complaining and wanting others to do the work but this person is suggesting actionable steps to take to improve things with evidence supporting why and still getting shot down and wasting their time. I’m in this exact situation right now.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

NickyD wrote: post #48
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #24

It can be helpful to flip the lens from critic to creator. Instead of asking "what's wrong with this thing" instead ask: Who deserves praise? What spark here deserves to grow? What new thing am I trying myself? Who left today better because I showed up? What's something I (personally) could have improved? What mistake or new facts have I learned from/ widened by view?

This person is being unfairly categorized in multiple posts as someone just complaining and wanting others to do the work but this person is suggesting actionable steps to take to improve things with evidence supporting why and still getting shot down and wasting their time. I’m in this exact situation right now.

> This person is being unfairly categorized in multiple posts as someone just complaining and wanting others to do the work but this person is suggesting actionable steps to take to improve things with evidence supporting why and still getting shot down and wasting their time.

Yes. And? If the actionable steps and evidence you prepared are getting shot down, i.e. not getting the outcome you desire, then you are doing something wrong (and wasting your time). You can't control other people's actions, only your own. You can sometimes influence others, but if that is your goal the current approach is clearly not working and you require a different one.

Re: Stop talking

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Post by barfoure »

There’s an unrelated/related topic to this: people who want to be heard doing something. They themselves won’t do much, so you can expect the royal “we” to be tossed around a lot.
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