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The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

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Fun fact: The X-Files production team foresaw the coming of 16:9 home entertainment, so they made some effort (increasing with later seasons) to try and "protect" a 16:9 frame, which allowed for an unusually good 16:9 Blu-ray restoration. [ https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7499/look-inside-the-files... ] I learned this from the older X-files DVDs, which have some unusually good special features.

Similar with Babylon 5, although the CG has not aged as well.

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Great article. Can someone explain what was wrong with that _Friends_ screenshot? I can't tell.

This post explains it nicely, by showing the noticeboard they normally use to cover that camera hole (which looks like an unfinished window frame, missing its architrave): https://x.com/MattBaume/status/1661785600050233344

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Stories like this regularly make the rounds when movies or shows that the original creators put a lot of love and thought into are "remastered" on the cheap. The last one I saw was the story about the garish colors in digital versions of old Pixar movies - amongst others, they intentionally exaggerated green hues in the digital original to compensate for the transfer process to analog film stock which was less sensit…

So odd that they didn't slap a film emulation on top of that. Although maybe not any existing software emulates exactly the film stock they used, any film emulation would look more true than a 1:1.

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This could be an EXCELLENT marketing opportunity.

Set up a site for fans to point out errors and vote on them.

Then have HBO have just one editor interact with fans on the site, fix the most popular errors, and talk about them, maybe stream a little of the editing process.

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Fun fact: The X-Files production team foresaw the coming of 16:9 home entertainment, so they made some effort (increasing with later seasons) to try and "protect" a 16:9 frame, which allowed for an unusually good 16:9 Blu-ray restoration. [ https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7499/look-inside-the-files... ] I learned this from the older X-files DVDs, which have some unusually good special features.

The first season or two you can definitely see the crew in the safety margins, sometimes the camera crane too

Re: The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

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The did something similar to Buffy The Vampire Slayer when "upgrading" it to HD. It lost all/most of the color grading and was cropped to 16:9. Some night scenes now take place during daytime and you can see booms and camera operators in many shots. It never even got a blu ray release. The only way to watch it at home without egregious errors is still DVD as far as I know.

I have the PAL DVD release, and I have to say the color grading has never been great, although it obviously at least has the correct effects applied.

The PAL release is already the bad copy (starting with season 4 I think). You already had odd stuff in view that wasn't supposed to be visible.

The only way to watch this show properly now is the 4:3 NTSC DVD release.

I think the recent streaming releases also have the music altered in many places. The show just got ed up basically. It's a real shame.

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Great article. Can someone explain what was wrong with that _Friends_ screenshot? I can't tell.

They never intended to show anything to the right of the doorframe on TV, so there's a random sign on the wall and a big hole in the wall (which makes sense if you are a camera crew wanting to film a sitcom in the apartment, that doesn't make so much sense in the fictional world that anyone would have a big rectangle cut out of the wall between their apartment and the hallway).

The apartment was a bunch of 2x4s and plywood in the middle of a big sound stage building on the Warner lot in Burbank. It's still there afaik.

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This could be an EXCELLENT marketing opportunity. Set up a site for fans to point out errors and vote on them. Then have HBO have just one editor interact with fans on the site, fix the most popular errors, and talk about them, maybe stream a little of the editing process.

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Re: The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

#49

This could be an EXCELLENT marketing opportunity. Set up a site for fans to point out errors and vote on them. Then have HBO have just one editor interact with fans on the site, fix the most popular errors, and talk about them, maybe stream a little of the editing process.

Yes a bit like modern car companies do by pushing out whatever untested experimental feature they have and let the customers figure them out (or die).

Re: The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

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This could be an EXCELLENT marketing opportunity. Set up a site for fans to point out errors and vote on them. Then have HBO have just one editor interact with fans on the site, fix the most popular errors, and talk about them, maybe stream a little of the editing process.

That would require HBO to actually care.. They've already been paid, I don't see them fixing any of this for the streaming service.
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