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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by jeroenhd »

latexr wrote: post #9
pixelpoet wrote: post #4

Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun. Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

Clearly it’s not all of them. Some countries voted against, and even the ones voting in favour had a few people against. The question is more why do the shit politicians rise to the top. Outside forces (rich people and companies) have too much power and can exert too much influence. In this case I’m particularly curious about the Danes. They insisted on this more than any other previous attempt. They are forever soil…

Some countries have more faith in their institutions than others. Countries with good and reliable institutions, comparatively at least, are easier to convince this won't be abused and is for the greater good. I'm not surprised the Danes have found a faction to support this bullshit.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by balamatom »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #27

Suddenly it has become normal to scan face in 3D, nonchalantly demand copy of ID and passport, freeze people's money and demand full financial statement arbitrarily. Not only there is no push back but things are becoming more and more restrictive. Authorities and banks avalanche everyone within their reach over all available communication channels with "warnings" about scams and frauds. What direction are they aiming…

Considering that in concert with all of the above a device has been developed that emulates human speech more convincingly than most humans, I guess it's pretty obvious

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by balamatom »

pixelpoet wrote: post #4

Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun. Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

>Why are all politicians so shit

So that you can blame them for your problems.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by Macha »

permo-w wrote: post #39
Macha wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partly it's because the Danish have the rotating EU presidency at the moment so they have the job of pushing things forward (which also means receiving the most lobbying). In the previous wave earlier in the year, it was the Polish for the same reason. Partly it's they don't have the same pro-privacy culture that say Germany and many of the eastern european countries have. People also think the current Danish PM was…

I wonder how aware they are of the damage to the EU's reputation that they're continually creating by repeatedly bringing this back I think this theme of the EU, this lack of taboo against continually bringing unwanted laws until they pass by fatigue, it may well be the death of the institution as a whole. every time they try, every time people hear about it, more and more think worse of the EU, and unlike most weste…

The UK government laundering unpopular regulations through the EU and then blaming the EU for them even when the UK had proposed and often championed then was definitely a factor in Brexit passing.

Somewhat relevantly, the UK already has their own version of this legislation in the Online Safety Act which lead to a bunch of small-medium UK community sites closing and the likes of Imgur, pixiv and 4chan blocking the UK.

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Post by forgotoldacc »

cbeach wrote: post #17
iLoveOncall wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a fool if you think the UK is better. I've moved from the EU to the UK and it is worse in every way when it comes to authoritarian measures. I'm not sure how you can have already forgotten the fact that we have to upload or face or ID to access websites.

In the UK we've had an authoritarian Conservative government for 14 years, followed by an even more authoritarian Labour government, which we'll have until 2029. In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/... Reform will repeal some of the awful legislation that's been passed over the last few years (e.g. Online Safety Act). They've been l…

America also has a party that always runs on the idea of small government and restoring rights to the people. Every time they get power, they do the exact opposite.

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Post by jeroenhd »

pixelpoet wrote: post #4

Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun. Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

Don't forget the lobbying. Behind every authoritarian move are a group of companies lobbying for these changes. When you work for law and order, there are only so many customers you can sign, so signing new services is the most reliable way to accomplish growth.

Whoever wins the bid for the (visually hashed) child porn database Whatsapp uses is bound to receive billions of API calls the month the contract goes live. They won't make whatsapp pay for that directly, of course, but I'm sure they'll be "covering operating costs" with government grants to "protect" the public. They get to be rich claiming everyone is a paedophile yet to be caught while pronouncing themselves the foremost fighters against child abuse.

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Post by [deleted] »

balamatom wrote: post #43
pixelpoet wrote: post #4

Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun. Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

>Why are all politicians so shit So that you can blame them for your problems.

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by maybewhenthesun »

paganel wrote: post #36
piker wrote: post #6

Even living nearby in the UK it blows my mind how quickly the EU proposes, kills and then revives and passes controversial legislation in such a short timeframe.

Because that's what autocracies in anything but name usually do. Who's going to stop them?

The EU is more of a bureaucracy than a real autocracy. Lots of members with veto powers and the like.

There is a lot wrong with the EU (the system). Opaque power structures, backroom deals, corruption. But I wouldn't call it an autocracy.

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Post by baiac »

jbstack wrote: post #23
cbeach wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK we've had an authoritarian Conservative government for 14 years, followed by an even more authoritarian Labour government, which we'll have until 2029. In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/... Reform will repeal some of the awful legislation that's been passed over the last few years (e.g. Online Safety Act). They've been l…

"a more libertarian government" As long as you are white British. If you're anything else you're probably going to be worse off under Farage. It's a shame that if you want to vote for someone with different policies to the two main parties, you have to accept that you are also voting for an outspoken racist.

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by zelphirkalt »

arlort wrote: post #28
piker wrote: post #6

Even living nearby in the UK it blows my mind how quickly the EU proposes, kills and then revives and passes controversial legislation in such a short timeframe.

Because it doesn't, people are just embarrassingly ignorant of how the EU legislative process works so when a vote to give first approval to a text is cancelled before it takes place journalists and reddit all over pull out the mission accomplished banners and when a negotiating position is approved everyone has a surprised pikachu face The "proposal" was made something like 3 years ago, the killing never happened an…

This is of course a process, that does not lend itself to be democratic, because it is way longer than most people's attention span. People don't manage to remember things that happened in politics 4 years ago in their own country. Now they are required to follow up on dozens of shitty proposals, all probably illegal in their own country, and those don't even happen in their own country? That divides the number of people, who even start looking into this stuff by a factor of 1000 or so.
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