Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by gumby271 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:15 PM UTC

NaomiLehman wrote: post #37

candiddevmike wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd bet you money within 5 years Apple will continue following Microsoft (after metro) and try "merging" macOS and iOS together into one OS, most likely iOS.

This is a good thing for the software ecosystem

I'd love to hear how

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by javier2 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:15 PM UTC

MyFirstSass wrote: post #30

The number one priority must surely be fixing the keyboard, besides the horrible UX? Millions are having problems for years so it's not just me, honestly thought i was "getting old" but no incredible amount of threads and now this on YT with 1 mil views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo Wild typing on a 3210 was less stressful for me.

I thought I was just incapable of learning. I find it so difficult to write on my ios keyboard.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by paxys » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:18 PM UTC

smcleod wrote: post #6

I hope they invest some time in macOS, gosh it's become a right mess over the last 3-5 major releases - Tahoe is the worst of the bunch.

Macs make up 8% of Apple's revenue. That entire product line is basically a hobby compared to iPhone and its ecosystem.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by maffyoo » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:18 PM UTC

my 83 year old mother was able to use (almost) all the features of iOS when she first got an iPhone, in 2012. It genuinely changed her life and meant she could participate in a world I dont think she ever expected to be comfortable in. She tried and failed to use a PC for years. Local library lessons, family time (and patience) etc, but she always needed support. the iPhone as different, it was simple to use with familiar user interactions with every app. Roll forwards to 2025, gradually bit by unnecessary bit bells, whistles and complexity has bled in from every angle. Last week I did a FaceTime call with her to help her log in to an app on her phone. She can do it fine on her iPad that hasn't been updated. this was like going back to her PC days - too complicated and giving her features she didn't ask for, or need.

what was it Steve Jobs said?

"If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or a better computer — so what? When you have a monopoly market share, the company is not any more successful. So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people. And they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision-making forums. And the companies forget what it means to make great products. Sort of the product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies who have no conception of a good product versus a bad product."

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by gessha » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:19 PM UTC

_the_inflator wrote: post #15

brikym wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still calling it liquid ass. The glass theme just makes things difficult to read for the sake of fashion.

It is a gimmick, not anything users as a spectrum might find favorable. And the sad thing is, that Apple is the only one with such a laughing stock of UX/UI. I am totally annoyed by the animations in Apple Notes. The icons have considerable increased in size and everything screams what a mess to me: the shadow as part of "the experience", partly rounded icons which talk more space than rectangles, hidden functions or…

I walked through a tech store recently and I saw the new iPhones with the liquid gimmick. I opened the camera app on one of their pro phones and it was lagging. I was shocked, I found it mind-boggling. Brand new phone, up to date OS, marketing material BS and for it to lag just feels unprofessional. I’d understand it if it was a Pinephone or whatever but from Apple? My expectations are reaching lower and lower depths.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:19 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #25

thr0waway001 wrote: post #10

Fix that freaking keyboard FFS. Seriously. How is it that almost 20 years later it's still one of the worst parts of the iOS experience. Also, ditch liquid glass on MacOS. That sh t is so Windows 7. It wasn't cool then and it isn't cool now. What the hell are you guys doing? Copying Microsoft now? It so, outdated, slow and twitchy, makes it hard to read. There's literally no upside to it. None. Zip. Nada.

Comparing that abomination to Windows 7 is an insult to Windows 7. Microsoft actually used to have good enough, usable/functional design back then.

I bet he meant Vista.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:20 PM UTC

Holy shit so I will have to put up with iOS 26’s abysmal performance for almost a year? Nooo… this thing visibly and painfully struggles to keep up even on a brand-new iPhone 17. I was hoping for iOS 26 point releases fixing most of the garbage… sigh

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by wiseowise » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:22 PM UTC

MyFirstSass wrote: post #30

The number one priority must surely be fixing the keyboard, besides the horrible UX? Millions are having problems for years so it's not just me, honestly thought i was "getting old" but no incredible amount of threads and now this on YT with 1 mil views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo Wild typing on a 3210 was less stressful for me.

This is what 400k salary, 12 rounds of leetcode, system design and circus dancing interviews gets you, apparently.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by wiseowise » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:23 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #43

smcleod wrote: post #6

I hope they invest some time in macOS, gosh it's become a right mess over the last 3-5 major releases - Tahoe is the worst of the bunch.

Macs make up 8% of Apple's revenue. That entire product line is basically a hobby compared to iPhone and its ecosystem.

That's almost 9 billion.

Re: Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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Post by rjh29 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 10:24 PM UTC

who-shot-jr wrote: post #18

Would like to switch to Linux but hardware/laptop options are horrible compared to MacBook M series machines.

I have used Thinkpads for over a decade and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I can't imagine any scenario where a MacBook M chip would be required to be productive, it feels like a weird hill to die on.