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What's the elephant? What are you trying to say?
Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#42Could someone with a background in law explain the advantage of a reclassification over imposing the same penalties on this particular group of substances? Because outside of the legal definition, I would not call those “weapons” in everyday language. They are a thing on their own…
I think weapons is the right term. It's a method of chemical restraint. Combat gases with similar functions are regarded as weapons too.
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah yes, nothing like the right propaganda thing where a random chart is made to magically align with their rhetoric without actually being so in reality.
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I see nazi scaremongering bots have now arrived here as well.
I wonder why lie about Poland?
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#44In California, rape of an unconscious person is not considered a violent felony for the purposes of 'strikes' as well as early release from prison. A rapist may serve as little as 50% of their sentence due to this fact. It was only this year (2025) that rape of an unconscious person who was made unconscious by the assailant (a date rape drug provision like Germany's) became a violent felony. Germany is not alone in t…
So if they're unconscious for some other reason - or the assailant wasn't the one who drugged them - it's not a felony? Sometimes I'm still surprised at how politicians can defend certain positions.
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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah yes, nothing like the right propaganda thing where a random chart is made to magically align with their rhetoric without actually being so in reality.
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This is a technical community, I think you can imagine the majority of visitors (hopefully) understand data and charts.
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#48Seems reasonable, but maybe not exactly a weapon. It is used to subdue someone, but not as a threat. Should be a parallel class. And while the intended assault is a sexual assault, a date rape drug still incapacitates you, which easily classifies as kidnapping, unlawful detainment, etc.
I would have thought poisoning someone, even with a sedative, would already be a serious crime. This makes me wonder if this is addressing a weakness in the force of law or if it’s political pandering to look tough on a class of crime without changing anything.
It is already. This offense is ususlly dropped since other crimes overshadow it and mostly the biggest crime matters in the german criminal court.
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#49Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#50Seems reasonable, but maybe not exactly a weapon. It is used to subdue someone, but not as a threat. Should be a parallel class. And while the intended assault is a sexual assault, a date rape drug still incapacitates you, which easily classifies as kidnapping, unlawful detainment, etc.
In a fundamental level giving someone a drug like this without their knowledge and against their will is an attack on their bodily autonomy.
And bodily autonomy is a human right.