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Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#41

"We are Arduino. We are open. We’re not going anywhere." -- statement from Qualcomm without a single human being's name on it

You are right - the whole blog entry has zero names mentioned. An anonymous opinion piece indeed.

Could have almost been written by AI, but the content seemed so angry that I think it must have been a corporate spokesperson who just woke up, read people being concerned and angrily hacked away at the keys at the keyboard.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#42

"We are Arduino. We are open. We’re not going anywhere." -- statement from Qualcomm without a single human being's name on it

> We are open. Except that half their boards and the entire cloud platform aren't open source at all.

Yeah. This can also be the intro: "and so it begins".

E. g. qualcom stepwise swallowing the infrastructure and pulling the chair under the hobbyists community.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#43
post #5

I don't get it, do we keep the pitchforks out, or do we stash the pitchforks?

It may be over already. I mean, the pitchforks will change what exactly? Looks like qualcom pwns I mean owns the arduino ecosystem now. Just like a killed-by-Google meme, qualcom may soon start its own killed-by-qualcom trend.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#44

Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.

Indeed. Also because any big organisation or corporation can both do evil and good. Often research projects with guarantees to release knowledge or some other improvements such as to software projects under a permissive licence.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Adafruit acted a bit shady here what is new here?

i wrote the article, just go ahead and call me shady and leave out other people at the company. limor will be back online next week after recovering (just had a kid) and you can call her shady too.

But you did not sign the article? I don't understand this.

IMO it would have just been easier to simply sign it. (With signing I mean mentioning who specifically wrote a blog entry; and also ideally the time as well.)

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#47

"we have been open-source long before it was fashionable" An abridged timeline: 1960s to 1980s: hobbyist and academic/research computing create thriving public domain software ecosystems (literally the birth of FOSS) 1983: The GNU Project begins 1989: The World Wide Web is created 1991: Linus Torvalds posts the first Linux kernel to USENET 1992: 386BSD is released; Slackware is created 1993: NetBSD is forked; Debian…

> 1989: Tim Berners-Lee invents the World Wide Web I think ideas etc... existed before that, e. g. DARPA and what Alan Kay said. Tim mostly pushed forward a simple protocol that worked. Would be interesting to see how much Tim really generated de-novo, but in general I disagree that he "invented" the world wide web as such. That would seem unfair to many other people - just like Alan Kay once said, you see further by…

As I was writing it out, I knew someone was going to complain.

It's an abridged timeline. Brevity because the point is the date, not the fine detail.

But since I don't care to argue on the internet... edited.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#48
post #8

Seems reasonable. I have a Duemilanove and an Uno R2 that I haven't used in ages but Arduino stuff has always been open as far as I remember. I really can't bring myself to pull out the pitchforks here. They've earned the trust from me. It's been over a decade now.

Does not really make a whole lot of sense to me.

You are basically saying that "past experience means future trust". How does this relate? I mean, a company xyz can have been doing great in the past, but may go extinct lateron for any reason. See Sun and then who owns Java nowadays. I much preferred Sun over Oracle really.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#49
post #7

If the only restriction on reverse engineering is their cloud SaaS, why was everyone up in arms? Or is this Arduino trying to save face?

u/healsdata already gave a good answer to that. I may only add that this could be the first step of increasing restrictions made by qualcom. The future will show. If it happens, some who warned about that may wisely nod their heads then, whereas others will be very confused about "this sudden change" ...

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Adafruit acted a bit shady here what is new here?

i wrote the article, just go ahead and call me shady and leave out other people at the company. limor will be back online next week after recovering (just had a kid) and you can call her shady too.

nah, rest of the company gets the shady label too, always has, always will.

remember when y'all both started blocking people on twitter for calling out data breaches? hrm, lmao.

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