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Debunking the Myths of the HBO Chernobyl series (2023)

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M. Gessen wrote a much better piece about the accuracy of HBO's Chernobyl: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-cher... This piece seems a little confused, since Legasov wasn't the primary source for the show?

The show makes reference to "Midnight in Chernobyl" in its epilogue, I think it's safe to say it was one of the main sources of information for the show (though of course they took liberties because it was a historical drama).

Mazin has talked about "Voices From Chernobyl" more than any other source.

I used as many sources as I could find. I was looking at research articles in scientific journals; I was looking at governmental reports; I was looking at books written by former Soviet scientists who were at Chernobyl; I was reading books by Western historians who had looked at Chernobyl. I watched documentaries; I read first-person documents.

And then there was Voices From Chernobyl, which is unique. What Svetlana Alexievich did there, I think, was capture an aspect of history we rarely see, which is the story of the people who you wouldn’t otherwise even know existed. We look at history from the point of view of the big movers, the big players, and she looks at history through the eyes of human beings. They’re all equal to her: Whether they are generals or party leaders or peasants, it doesn’t matter. And I thought that was just beautiful. It really inspired me.

So again this idea that anything not in the Legasov tapes was invented --- no. The show is a fictionalized retelling, but no, that criticism doesn't stand.

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At the end of the day, creators want an entertaining show and that usually requires intrigue, interpersonal conflict, character growth, good vs. evil, etc. Biopics/dramatizations of events often bring multiple minor characters together into a single person. I would be more bothered by the change of small details irrelevant to the narrative than I am by larger character changes. I would prefer that the mainline detail…

I would have accepted that if it wasn't for Craig Mazin (the creator of the series) insistence that he stuck to the details and the truth in the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY0r1Ln6tkM For the life of me I couldn't figure out what truth he is talking about (other than that Chernobyl happened, and some characters existed)

They even published a podcast highlighting the creative freedoms, but failed to mention the important ones, like the fact that the reactor caps couldn't bounce up and down...

Deeply ironic for a show with the tagline "What is the cost of lies?"

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Dyatlov's interview from the 90s, which is still available on youtube [1], seems to fit better with the account given in the hit book "Midnight in Chernobyl" (which was the basis for the series,) than the story written for TV. To me the series just seemed like a rehash of the same movie tropes we've seen time and time again in dramatizations of the accident, compared to a true adaptation of book, which included a lot…

I wasn't aware of that Dyatlov's interview! Thanks a lot for sharing it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Books are taking a backseat to Movies. Movies are taking a backseat to Mini series. Mini series are taking a backseat to Video Games. Video Games are taking a back seat to Youtube. There are only 24 hours in a day and no one gets more. This results in shifting preferences for consumption patterns over time. I hear boomers spend all their time in movie theaters instead of sitting down and reading a good book. Don't th…

> Cultural preferences change over time. Sure. And historically, major such changes also often came with meaningful societal consequences. Shifts in power, wealth concentration, equality, capability, liberty, resilience, stability, cohesion, ingenuity, all sorts of thing. You can hold whatever view you'd like, but assuming a cultural change is inherently for the best just because its a big or widespread one might lea…

Well I am not saying that it is automatically good, I said Let them cook ie. Lets see how things turn out, the journey will certainly be interesting.

I will concede that I default to the positive view that generations will find a way to figure things out for themselves.

For example Gen-Z seems to be growing up with a lot of anxiety caused by screen time + a mean towards more demanding expectations growing up.

This is leading towards a greater acceptance towards 'disconnecting' from all tech as they age and a greater acceptance for treating hallicugunans as a form of medicine that makes sense for some people and not as a thing to fear. And these people are only in their 20s. Who knows what they will eventually turn out as.

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Hey Omar! I met you briefly in Grenoble many years ago. I hope you're doing well.

I only recently watched this series and found it very entertaining. But I never expected it to be very accurate. It's definitely been dramatized for TV. I definitely didn't get an anti-nuclear sentiment from the show, I mostly think they were trying to portray a negative view of Soviet Bureaucracy.

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> Legasov commended the swiftness and efficiency of the government response at all levels Sure, but in those times, he would be compelled to say such things. That doesn't mean he believed it. It seems the main faults that OP finds in the show are that Legasov had issues with his government, when in "reality" he thought they were great. But is that "reality," or oppression? I also don't see the fault in highlighting h…

> It seems the main faults that OP finds in the show are that Legasov had issues with his government, when in "reality" he thought they were great. But is that "reality," or oppression? The tapes were framed in the HBO as an honest message of a dying man to the world to expose the lies that happened. Well, after Going through the tapes, I couldn't find any indication of that...only the opposite. Now I concede that I…

Sure, but in any case you're going to cherry-pick inaccuracies, wouldn't it be fair to balance them with the "remarkably accurate recreations," according to historians[0]? Especially since it's couched as a historical drama, not a documentary.

Should we debate the accuracy of Marvel movies?

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20190610100414/https://www.cbsne...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cultural preferences change over time. Sure. And historically, major such changes also often came with meaningful societal consequences. Shifts in power, wealth concentration, equality, capability, liberty, resilience, stability, cohesion, ingenuity, all sorts of thing. You can hold whatever view you'd like, but assuming a cultural change is inherently for the best just because its a big or widespread one might lea…

Well I am not saying that it is automatically good, I said Let them cook ie. Lets see how things turn out, the journey will certainly be interesting. I will concede that I default to the positive view that generations will find a way to figure things out for themselves. For example Gen-Z seems to be growing up with a lot of anxiety caused by screen time + a mean towards more demanding expectations growing up. This is…

Fair enough.

Although it's sort of ironic that the living generation most famous for radically questioning the demanding society they were growing up into and opening their minds to escape and growth through hallucingens is the same one that's since been assigned a pejorative name by those same kids and cast by them as the great villian of our age.

So maybe something like that, if history repeats as much as it seems to.

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> It seems the main faults that OP finds in the show are that Legasov had issues with his government, when in "reality" he thought they were great. But is that "reality," or oppression? The tapes were framed in the HBO as an honest message of a dying man to the world to expose the lies that happened. Well, after Going through the tapes, I couldn't find any indication of that...only the opposite. Now I concede that I…

Sure, but in any case you're going to cherry-pick inaccuracies, wouldn't it be fair to balance them with the "remarkably accurate recreations," according to historians[0]? Especially since it's couched as a historical drama, not a documentary. Should we debate the accuracy of Marvel movies? [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20190610100414/https://www.cbsne...

I am not sure why you are mentioning historians here. A proper historical view/investigation is way outside of my scope.

My angle is simple: they said it was accurate, and Legasov did so and said that...and in his own words, he negated most of that.

Is Legasov a good guy? I don't know. Was he honest in what he said? I don't know...but he said what he said!

> cherry-pick inaccuracies

Feel free to go to the tapes

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Hey Omar! I met you briefly in Grenoble many years ago. I hope you're doing well. I only recently watched this series and found it very entertaining. But I never expected it to be very accurate. It's definitely been dramatized for TV. I definitely didn't get an anti-nuclear sentiment from the show, I mostly think they were trying to portray a negative view of Soviet Bureaucracy.

Hey Nicolas! Very glad to hear from you :)

I honestly don't see a problem with dramatization (not my taste, but people are different I guess).

My issue is with Craig Mazin (the creator of the series) insistence that he stuck to the details and the truth in the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY0r1Ln6tkM

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