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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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The EV1 was way, way ahead of its time, and was more or less outright killed for various reasons including car makers having deep sunk cost in ICE engine tech. The battery tech back then was vastly inferior to today but it was still good enough for a shorter-range economy EV that could have replaced a gas for a lot of daily commuter drives, especially for two-car families. For reference: the first generation Nissan L…

Why did you name check Musk and not the actual founders of Tesla, Eberhard and Tarpenning, that took advantage of their experience with lithium batteries and the forward-thinking Californian regulatory regime to found their company there to build an electric sports car?

Good point, and they're worth name checking too, but the company didn't go anywhere big until Musk took over.

Musk clearly has (or at least had) a great skill when it comes to scaling companies doing hard things. If he had one under his belt, like Tesla, I'd be willing to chalk it up to luck, but he has two: Tesla and SpaceX. Both have been spectacular successes doing things most people run away from screaming with their tail between their legs, namely volume production of innovative cars and aerospace.

IMHO SpaceX is a lot more impressive. There's an old joke: how do you become a millionaire? A: start as a billionaire and found an aerospace company.

I think without him Tesla would have been a boutique car company. They would have made expensive boutique cars for a subset of visionary EV early adopters, but would not have moved the industry. To move the industry you have to grow hard and fast enough to scare legacy car makers into trying to play catch-up, which is what Tesla did. The only other thing I can imagine moving big car makers like this would have been the government mandating an EV transition. Big bureaucratic things only move when kicked.

People hate acknowledging this because Musk's politics have turned so many people off, but unfortunately there appears to be no correlation between skills in one domain and being a generally well adjusted human being. The world doesn't work this way. A person can be good at something and still be a lunatic or an asshole.

I mean... if we dismissed all achievement of people who were assholes or lunatics, we'd basically have to throw out 2/3 of all music.

If anything there might be a slight negative correlation between extreme skill in some domain and being well adjusted, for a variety of reasons including the weird way people treat "savants" in any field. I also suspect a big one is that people with messed up backgrounds (bad childhood, etc.) or psychological issues sometimes "over-compensate" by achieving hyper-skill in some area.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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I used to walk past one of these every day on my way to and from my dorm.

My school apparently had no idea what it was for years and it just sat outside underneath the EE building and people would draw dicks in the dust on it. When they realized what it was, they immediately yonked it inside and made a student team to refurb it.

It's super cool I got to see such a piece of history and rare car even if I didn't realize it for so long.

Before: https://images.hgmsites.net/med/gm-ev1-electric-car-at-misso...

After: https://i.redd.it/8hqyo6iq7ixa1.jpg

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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No, having a title of ownership is not the same as registering as a street legal vehicle. BYD cars don’t meet DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards which is a deal breaker, regardless of which state you’re in. Even if you could get it registered, insurance would be impossible.

Are they actually unsafe or they just haven't gone through the certification? They're on sale in Europe where the car safety standards are slightly different to the US, but generally considered more rigorous.

The difference in vehicle regulations between the EU and US are not along a linear scale of rigor. They have different requirements for different things. They are different opinions of what “safe” even means.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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What are the obstacles to making GM EV1 replicas, albeit with modern batteries? The design still has merit and would undoubtedly be long range with the lead acid batteries swapped out for something new. You can get businesses making replicas in small numbers, for example, I am sure you could get a Lancia Stratos, however, would GM have a big copyright ban on such a venture?

I doubt insurance would allow you to register an old Saturn that was converted into an ev1.

The states register vehicles, not insurance companies.

And while a big box insurance company might not insure a heavily modified vehicle, there are niche insurance companies who will. Or you could even self insure in a state that allows it.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you name check Musk and not the actual founders of Tesla, Eberhard and Tarpenning, that took advantage of their experience with lithium batteries and the forward-thinking Californian regulatory regime to found their company there to build an electric sports car?

Good point, and they're worth name checking too, but the company didn't go anywhere big until Musk took over. Musk clearly has (or at least had) a great skill when it comes to scaling companies doing hard things. If he had one under his belt, like Tesla, I'd be willing to chalk it up to luck, but he has two: Tesla and SpaceX. Both have been spectacular successes doing things most people run away from screaming with t…

I see Musk in the the same way that I see Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was famous for his "reality distortion field".

I think that Musk/Tesla gave Politicians the idea that everyone can go electric and as a result it ended up being mandated into law. Then manufacturers had to try to make cars which were electric.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Going through the hassle of getting a title for stuff you'll scrap is, ugh, an ill advised use of time unless your goal is to tell everyone at the cocktail party how law abiding you are or the vehicles are interesting enough for the title to have baseline value or something like that. Scrapyards will take fractions of cars without asking questions. People who part out cars or deal in scrap metal know this and will ta…

Scrapyards are also places the police investigate as money laundering for crime. They will take untitled things, but only if they think it wasn't stolen. Start bringing in too much scrap vehicle parts and they will start demanding paperwork - one or two parts "everyone" has so no not worth it but if it gets to be a bunch they start suspecting crime and then demand paperwork.

Just saw it up so it's not obviously one complete car. Nobody cares as long as their ass is covered. You can get away with more if you're a regular and they know you and know you not to be sketchy.

Even if they know you they'll never take a full car body in one piece without a title or any of the other "open and shut case" violations of law because they don't wanna risk getting Randy Weaver'd because a good customer had government problems and became an "informant".

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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What are the obstacles to making GM EV1 replicas, albeit with modern batteries? The design still has merit and would undoubtedly be long range with the lead acid batteries swapped out for something new. You can get businesses making replicas in small numbers, for example, I am sure you could get a Lancia Stratos, however, would GM have a big copyright ban on such a venture?

I suggest seeing how Revology was able to proceed.

(They make reproductions of 1967 and 1968 Mustangs)

https://revologycars.com/

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Impound/tow/lien -> title has always been the easy button for getting legit title to a vehicle that was never supposed to be sold (UPS vans, Uhaul trailers, etc), so long as it was never reported stolen. Absolutely hilarious that he managed to work the "doesn't work it if pops up as stolen" angle in the opposite direction to make the car impossible to really do anything with (i.e. no junkyard can take it whole, no su…

Something similar happened to one of the Dominos delivery vehicles (a DXP [0]). The purchaser got sued for trademark violations [1]. In this case, the car was totaled in an accident and the insurance company sold it.

[0] - https://ir.dominos.com/news-releases/news-release-details/do...

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN-yLTDkAS4

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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post #29

The EV1 was way, way ahead of its time, and was more or less outright killed for various reasons including car makers having deep sunk cost in ICE engine tech. The battery tech back then was vastly inferior to today but it was still good enough for a shorter-range economy EV that could have replaced a gas for a lot of daily commuter drives, especially for two-car families. For reference: the first generation Nissan L…

Why did you name check Musk and not the actual founders of Tesla, Eberhard and Tarpenning, that took advantage of their experience with lithium batteries and the forward-thinking Californian regulatory regime to found their company there to build an electric sports car?

Because the poster was referring to promotion, of which elon was much more successful than the actual founders.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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post #29

The EV1 was way, way ahead of its time, and was more or less outright killed for various reasons including car makers having deep sunk cost in ICE engine tech. The battery tech back then was vastly inferior to today but it was still good enough for a shorter-range economy EV that could have replaced a gas for a lot of daily commuter drives, especially for two-car families. For reference: the first generation Nissan L…

Why did you name check Musk and not the actual founders of Tesla, Eberhard and Tarpenning, that took advantage of their experience with lithium batteries and the forward-thinking Californian regulatory regime to found their company there to build an electric sports car?

They didn't found their company to build electric sports cars, they founded their company to design and sell conversion kits, and famously got into a big argument with Musk when he wanted to sell complete cars.
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