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What is this "application containers" BS, just add native docker stack support. Most folks in the self hosting community already deploy nested dockers in LXCs, just add native support so we can cut out the middle man and squeeze out that indirection.
Proxmox (and XCP-ng?) seems to be "the" (?) popular alternative to VMware after Broadcom's private equity-fuel cash grab. (Perhaps if you're a Microsoft shop you're looking at Hyper-V?)
Talking to midmarket and enterprise customers and nobody is taking Proxmox seriously quite yet, I think due to concerns around support availability and long term viability. Hyper-V and Azure Local come up a lot in these conversations if you run a lot of Windows (Healthcare in the US is nearly entirely Windows based). Have some folks kicking tires on OpenShift, which is a HEAVY lift and not much less expensive than mo…
You can grow out of either by just moving to self hosted, or you can avoid both for the virtualization part if you don't care about the VMware like GUI if you are an automation focused company.
If we could do it 20 years ago once VT-x for production Oracle EBS instances for a smaller but publicly traded company with a IT team of 4, almost any midmarket enterprise could do it today, especially with modern tools.
It is culture and web-ui requirements and FUD that cause issues, not the underlying products that are stable today, but hidden from view.
Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
Proxmox has nice web GUI
Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
I’ve been looking at incus, and some aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli). But I think proxmox having better clustering, and built in support for ceph, backups (with proxmox backup server)… proxmox just had a little more maturity behind it. I’ll be watching incus though.
Nothing is stopping you from doing this with Proxmox, right?
Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
Looks like Incus has no GUI? Proxmox has nice web GUI
[1]: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-w...
Proxmox (and XCP-ng?) seems to be "the" (?) popular alternative to VMware after Broadcom's private equity-fuel cash grab. (Perhaps if you're a Microsoft shop you're looking at Hyper-V?)
um broadcom is publicly traded as $AVGO...?
> KKR & Co. Inc., also known as Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., is an American global private equity and investment company.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKR_%26_Co.
You can have a public company that invests in private companies, as opposed to investing in publicly listed companies (like $BRK/Buffett does (in addition to PE stuff)).
The only thing missing making Proxmox difficult in traditional environment is a replacement for VMware's VMFS (cluster aware VM file system). Lots and lots of organizations already have SAN/storage fabric networks presenting block storage over the network which was heavily used for VMware environments. You could use NFS if your arrays support it, but MPIO block storage via iscsi is ubiquitous in my experience.
The Proxmox answer to this is Ceph - https://ceph.io/en/
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The Proxmox answer to this is Ceph - https://ceph.io/en/
Not really, that works if you want to have converged storage in your hypervisors, but most large VMWare deployments I've seen use external storage from remote arrays.
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Looks like Incus has no GUI? Proxmox has nice web GUI
It has one[1] (optional). Proxmox has a shittier, but more featureful, web UI. [1]: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-w...
also, looking at the link you posted, it looks like incus can only do like a fraction of what proxmox can do. is that the case or is that web ui a limiting factor?
Watching hypervisors slowly improve over the last few years has been amazing. They aren't quite to the point that I will install them under any new hardware I buy and then put my daily driver OS on top, but they are very close. I think a strong focus on creating 'the OS under your OS' experience seamless could open up a lot more here.
I'm not sure I would want my daily driver to be a hypervisor... Whats controlling audio, do I really need audio kernel extensions on my hypervisor? Whos in charge when I shut the lid on my laptop... But the moment you stop trying to do everything locally Proxmox, as it is today, is a dream. It's easy enough to spin up a VM, throw a clients docker/podman + other insanity onto it and have a running dev instance in minu…