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Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by nsmartt »

mariusmg wrote: post #6
mtgx wrote: post #5

The thing is Windows 8 is radically changing a lot of stuff and that won't sit well with most businesses in the PC world. Maybe Windows 8 won't give Valve or Notch a death blow by removing the "desktop mode", but I think it's pretty obvious that Microsoft wants the future of Windows to be "Metro-only", and these guys can see that. So it's not Windows 8 per se that they are mad about. It's the whole direction Windows…

No, they don't want "Metro-only" . This is bullshit. Stop spreading it.

I really think you should read this: http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by rbanffy »

SquareWheel wrote: post #35

This is the most overdone news story in recent months. It was two tweets , and yet entire articles are being written analyzing a small quip. Now how many times do we have to go over the argument? x86, for the moment, is just as open as Windows 7. ARM is not, it's very locked down. Windows 8 as a whole consists of both versions, in that respect it's considered less open. The fear is that we're going to see ARM become…

My worry is that openness may die with this move, not to ARM per se, but to locked down ARM devices. Ubuntu and Android run just fine on the hardware Microsoft demands their OEMs to cripple (and yes, none of my Android devices is locked down). Microsoft is pushing towards a world they can enjoy without having to compete as much as they do now - they don't want to make software people love: they'd rather live with people having no option.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by rbanffy »

freehunter wrote: post #38
mtgx wrote: post #5

The thing is Windows 8 is radically changing a lot of stuff and that won't sit well with most businesses in the PC world. Maybe Windows 8 won't give Valve or Notch a death blow by removing the "desktop mode", but I think it's pretty obvious that Microsoft wants the future of Windows to be "Metro-only", and these guys can see that. So it's not Windows 8 per se that they are mad about. It's the whole direction Windows…

I'm not sure Microsoft is explicitly wanting this change. It's a reaction to the shifting computing environment; the iPad showed that the PC isn't the only platform that people want to use, and that some people only want to use tablet computers. I feel Microsoft would have been more than happy to keep developing Windows the way they always have, but they've seen the writing on the wall. Windows isn't what the users w…

Microsoft is the only company demanding the ARM devices other companies make to be locked down. What Apple does to its hardware is their problem, but it's not Microsoft's business to demand hardware manufacturers to deliberately kill competition on software (which would, ultimately, benefit both manufacturers and end-users).

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by kabdib »

bayes wrote: post #18
ido wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really surprising (to me) that 10k people per day are still buying pc minecraft. I'd think pretty much everyone that was interested in a game like that would have gotten it by now? How can there still be 10k new people per day (over what, 3 years now?) that have just found out about minecraft?

Currently (I'm in London UK) Minecraft has a huge folllowing among boys aged (roughly) 8-14. As long as that demographic remains obsessed there'll be a constant new market.

My 8yo son is obsessed, as are two of his friends.

I am really impressed that a system with simple graphics has been so successful. A more traditional games shop would have screwed it up by trying to make things look pretty.

[Java still remains a poor gaming platform. I had to fiddle with the VM settings for a while before it would even run.]

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by cooldeal »

SquareWheel wrote: post #35

This is the most overdone news story in recent months. It was two tweets , and yet entire articles are being written analyzing a small quip. Now how many times do we have to go over the argument? x86, for the moment, is just as open as Windows 7. ARM is not, it's very locked down. Windows 8 as a whole consists of both versions, in that respect it's considered less open. The fear is that we're going to see ARM become…

The problem is that what Notch is saying is terribly unclear. Is he talking about the desktop game or about Windows RT? The two tweets are pretty ambiguous, and so it may seem to some that Notch is trying to cash in on the publicity with this while happily contributing to the death of the PC by selling the iPad version.

Here's an excellent series of articles about the confusion that Notch needs to clear up.

http://www.withinwindows.com/2012/09/28/notch-doesnt-hate-wi...

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by cooldeal »

rbanffy wrote: post #43
freehunter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure Microsoft is explicitly wanting this change. It's a reaction to the shifting computing environment; the iPad showed that the PC isn't the only platform that people want to use, and that some people only want to use tablet computers. I feel Microsoft would have been more than happy to keep developing Windows the way they always have, but they've seen the writing on the wall. Windows isn't what the users w…

Microsoft is the only company demanding the ARM devices other companies make to be locked down. What Apple does to its hardware is their problem, but it's not Microsoft's business to demand hardware manufacturers to deliberately kill competition on software (which would, ultimately, benefit both manufacturers and end-users).

No that's plain wrong. Microsoft is demanding that only for Windows RT tablets. The same manufacturer is free to make tablets that run Android or Ubuntu or whatever.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by freehunter »

rbanffy wrote: post #43
freehunter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure Microsoft is explicitly wanting this change. It's a reaction to the shifting computing environment; the iPad showed that the PC isn't the only platform that people want to use, and that some people only want to use tablet computers. I feel Microsoft would have been more than happy to keep developing Windows the way they always have, but they've seen the writing on the wall. Windows isn't what the users w…

Microsoft is the only company demanding the ARM devices other companies make to be locked down. What Apple does to its hardware is their problem, but it's not Microsoft's business to demand hardware manufacturers to deliberately kill competition on software (which would, ultimately, benefit both manufacturers and end-users).

I'm not sure that's an apples to apples (so to speak) comparison. How is it any different with Apple not only locking down the software but also locking out any competing hardware versus Microsoft letting multiple partners make hardware with locked down software? It patently is Microsoft's business to demand hardware makers follow the rules of their software agreement. If hardware makers don't like it, they can make Android tablets. Microsoft isn't the only player in the game, and in fact they are the least successful player in the game. This isn't the 90s, and Microsoft doesn't control the world anymore. There's choice.

Let's not forget that Apple's locked down hardware and software combination is what started this whole craze.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by cooldeal »

morsch wrote: post #24
k-mcgrady wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a minority of developers that are up in arms against in. As a user and developer I've welcomed it on the Mac. Developers can easily certify their apps and it gives customers confidence. If you choose not to certify your app you don't lose out, your software will still run. It will be pretty much the same on Windows (although I find their policies a bit more restrictive). If you don't want to certify, it…

But if you certify and offer a shop for certified apps where the shop owner gets a cut this creates a huge incentive for the owner to do everything in its power to get more apps into the shop.

There is no cut for Microsoft for desktop apps while Apple takes a cut for OS X apps sold from the app store. But for desktop apps in the Windows Store, it will be only linked to the dev's website. Downloads and updates are handled by the developer.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by TooManyLiarz »

freehunter wrote: post #38
mtgx wrote: post #5

The thing is Windows 8 is radically changing a lot of stuff and that won't sit well with most businesses in the PC world. Maybe Windows 8 won't give Valve or Notch a death blow by removing the "desktop mode", but I think it's pretty obvious that Microsoft wants the future of Windows to be "Metro-only", and these guys can see that. So it's not Windows 8 per se that they are mad about. It's the whole direction Windows…

I'm not sure Microsoft is explicitly wanting this change. It's a reaction to the shifting computing environment; the iPad showed that the PC isn't the only platform that people want to use, and that some people only want to use tablet computers. I feel Microsoft would have been more than happy to keep developing Windows the way they always have, but they've seen the writing on the wall. Windows isn't what the users w…

It's never far into an argument about big power taking more when blind defenders revert to the tried and true classic, BLAME THE VICTIMS.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by mtgx »

cooldeal wrote: post #46
rbanffy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is the only company demanding the ARM devices other companies make to be locked down. What Apple does to its hardware is their problem, but it's not Microsoft's business to demand hardware manufacturers to deliberately kill competition on software (which would, ultimately, benefit both manufacturers and end-users).

No that's plain wrong. Microsoft is demanding that only for Windows RT tablets. The same manufacturer is free to make tablets that run Android or Ubuntu or whatever.

Apparently, that's not true. Atom Clover Trail devices will not support anything but Windows 8, and I don't think it's just a driver issue. It's a bootloader issue, too:

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/27/intels-clover-trail-is-a-...

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