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How would they get drones without money or soldiers?
Oil still flowing
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Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe
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Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe
#42The fact that these drones are only appearing in NATO aligned countries makes it seem pretty obvious to me that it's one of two possibilities.
1) Russian sabre-rattling
2) NATO countries running "secret" drills in public in anticipation of 1)
The UFO community is of course running with a third option that doesn't warrant any seriousness.
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> Western Europe still thinks that if a war breaks out, it'll be tanks and soldiers going into the Baltic states, and we'll crush them with our advanced arsenal. Drones are not for conquering, but destruction. We see this in Ukraine now, where Drones are not making the whole war, but are just one gear of the machinery. And Western leaders know this, they are preparing Drones, but refitting the western machinery takes…
> Drones are not for conquering, but destruction. Yes, and we have plenty of infrastructure to destroy. It's a target rich environment. > And Western leaders know this, they are preparing Drones I've seen zero indication that this is true. Do you have sources that we're in any way preparing for a large-scale drone war?
> Yes, and we have plenty of infrastructure to destroy. It's a target rich environment.
Yes, but how is that relevant? Everything is always open for terror. Russia itself is not safe either. Or are you assuming Russia is out for pure blind destruction? Degrading themselves to become lousy terrorists? Just spreading destruction for no reason?
I would assume they at least will have some aim and reasoning behind their targets, which would mean they will come with soldiers and tanks, and conquer land, or destroy the highest profile-targets. In the first case, they will have very limited resources to spare for attacks on middle European targets. For the second case, you only need to focus your defence on those targets.
> I've seen zero indication that this is true.
May you are following the wrong sources? Building up drones-defence is in progress for a while now. Whether it's going well is a different story, but I would assume that they will not talk very openly about those things for obvious reasons.
Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe
#44One thing that is particularly annoying: the lack of communication from the governments/police about the status of the investigation, or lack thereof.
Side question: How likely are autonomous reconnaissance drones today?
I'd expect them to be impervious to traditional jamming.
I could imagine a pair of drones, a few km apart, communicating by laser line-of-sight, where the reconnaissance one acquires data, send it to the nearby drone, that one would use it to confirm data and do something else with it (aka, spotter and actor).
Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe
#45I dunno if calling them "mysterious" is really helpful in this case. Just shoot them down if they get close, that should be the response in a wartime scenario too. Plus, given it's in civilian areas, they can use the expensive laser defense systems to do that.
The mysteriousness is the main point of the article. These drones aren’t identifiable. Across dozens of incursions this year alone, no one has taken any drone down or identified where they’re launching from or returning to in spite of all the advanced NATO satellite imagery and aerial surveillance that can identify individual people on the ground.
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#46Is this like that time we closed Gatwick for 3 days because of a collective delusion? Every news report I read about this stuff has at best /r/ufos level of uselessly vague photography.
I was there for that, ended up getting the eurostart instead, still can't believe that it was basically all for nothing and we still have no information about it really.
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That's why I don't understand why there isn't a more aggressive response to flying drones illegally near airports. IMO they should just be shot down. Actually some years they were very proudly showing birds of prey that they had trained to do just that. Whatever happened to that? After 9/11 there was a huge worldwide shift in e.g. airplane security due to the threat of terrorism, but now there's drones out there they…
How do you expect to shoot them down? They are small and very quick and disappear shortly after appearing.
And in many cases its simply not legal to start shooting at unidentified drones in an urban environment.
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That's why I don't understand why there isn't a more aggressive response to flying drones illegally near airports. IMO they should just be shot down. Actually some years they were very proudly showing birds of prey that they had trained to do just that. Whatever happened to that? After 9/11 there was a huge worldwide shift in e.g. airplane security due to the threat of terrorism, but now there's drones out there they…
How do you expect to shoot them down? They are small and very quick and disappear shortly after appearing.
Stand-by drone-intercepting drones?
Tracking them is a need first and foremost. How about a down-facing radar on top of the Aviation Control Tower?
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#49If we see a war between Russia and the EU, we're going to have to deal with them learning from Israel and using the same idea of decentralised drone hubs attacking military and civilian targets across the entire continent. We're woefully underprepared to deal with something like this. Western Europe still thinks that if a war breaks out, it'll be tanks and soldiers going into the Baltic states, and we'll crush them w…
I'm not convinced by your conclusion. I mean of course drones would be a massive problem for western forces as they have never faced that kind of threat at scale. But at the same time the Russian army has suffered dramatic attrition in Ukraine, especially in anti-air capabilities which used to be USSR's specialty and which western analyst feared it would allow the Russians to perform wide anti access on the Baltic's…
On the topic of what Putin wants, I’m increasingly swayed that domestic politics limit the choices he’s given. I wonder how the same siloviki but a different leader would perform.
On the topic of a wide drone attack coinciding with land invasion, I think (rightly or wrongly) the drone attack will be attributed to Russia early. Even though the life of a Russian soldier is approximately the same as a drone, it’d be very helpful for Russia to manifest the drones in support of some other origin of the troops.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why I don't understand why there isn't a more aggressive response to flying drones illegally near airports. IMO they should just be shot down. Actually some years they were very proudly showing birds of prey that they had trained to do just that. Whatever happened to that? After 9/11 there was a huge worldwide shift in e.g. airplane security due to the threat of terrorism, but now there's drones out there they…
How do you expect to shoot them down? They are small and very quick and disappear shortly after appearing.
Jammers work pretty well. I would expect most large airports would have a defense response. They would have the tools setup to one instantly identify and track said drones come within the space and two have the tools like the portable jammers to “shoot” it down. These tools are not that expensive and exist from multiple vendors.
I would have expected this to be table stakes at running large busy airports.