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Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by senkora »

nostrademons wrote: post #12

I wonder sometimes if there's an earlier level of technology that society could basically "checkpoint" at and freeze, and then build off of. Capitalism today feels like it's hit the Red Queen Paradox - it goes around and around to keep the money flowing, but with very little actual progress. Indeed, most people seem to feel like the world is getting worse for all that work, and that many of the innovations of the las…

You may be interested in Dusk OS, the 32 bit Forth based operating system for the first stage of civilizational collapse: https://duskos.org/

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by tombert »

atherton94027 wrote: post #4

Very impressive to see Chuck Moore still going at it at the age of 87. I hope at that age I'm able to handle the minutiae of programming!

My dad is in his mid 60's, and I'm pretty convinced he's going to be like that. He's not a software engineer, mostly a mechanical engineer, but it's pretty rare that I talk to him and he's not hacking on something mechanical.

I'm not talking just woodshop stuff; he is actually doing math and calculations for little things that he's building. He is an engineer by blood that happened to make a career out of it.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by ghssds »

nostrademons wrote: post #12

I wonder sometimes if there's an earlier level of technology that society could basically "checkpoint" at and freeze, and then build off of. Capitalism today feels like it's hit the Red Queen Paradox - it goes around and around to keep the money flowing, but with very little actual progress. Indeed, most people seem to feel like the world is getting worse for all that work, and that many of the innovations of the las…

Technology is cultural. People invent what they invent according of the culture that they live in and that orients their needs. Lot of cultures are not producing technology and those culture are not less advanced, just different. There is no going back, because there is no back or ahead. Change the culture, change the kind of technology people will create.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by kamaal »

7thaccount wrote: post #7

It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

>>He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life.

Know quite a few elderly men, were moving mountains until retirement, then at one age they wanted to simply step back and relax. It was a cognitive downhill from there on. Also there is something strange about men sitting at home doing nothing. For some reasons families start hating as little as a sentence from them. You have to sit quiet for most of your life. Which honestly speaking is nothing short of a punishment, because you are actually expected to behave like furniture, or at best like a vegetable.

Even other wise I do see men who retired early not having all that a great time sitting at home and doing nothing.

Without a purpose, you won't enjoy living life much.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by kamaal »

II2II wrote: post #35
drcode wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

must. not. go. too. deep. into. forth. rabbithole.

s" must" . s" not" . s" go" . s" too" . s" deep" . s" into" . s" forth" . s" rabbithole" . When you go down the rabbit hole in Forth, it is easy to pop back out.

Actually it is-

    s" rabbithole" .s" forth" .s" into" .s" deep" .s" too" .s" go" .s" not" .s" must" .

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by markus_zhang »

kamaal wrote: post #44
7thaccount wrote: post #7

It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

>>He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. Know quite a few elderly men, were moving mountains until retirement, then at one age they wanted to simply step back and relax. It was a cognitive downhill from there on. Also there is something strange about men sitting at home doing nothing. For some reasons families start hating…

Yep, in China there was a research that says retirement is a major killer for certain elder people (forgot the details but most likely just statistics of the number of years between retirement and death). I don’t know. I’d like to find a calling and die working on it.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by saulpw »

nostrademons wrote: post #22
saulpw wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What level of computing would you checkpoint at? https://saul.pw/mag/computer/

Using your scale? ↑7 or ↑8. That seemed to be the sweet spot in capabilities to me, without getting to the point where engagement eats everything else including productivity and future maintenance. Using semiconductor process nodes? 45-65nm. That was around the point that Moore's Law broke down. At that point, you could do most of the functionality that we depend upon computers for (eg. GUIs, 3D rendering, networking…

I agree. Enough to run Quake over LAN, not quite enough to run WoW. A lot of complexity in computing is only necessary for dealing with the internet at scale.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by mbac32768 »

7thaccount wrote: post #7

It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

if he's not going to maintain it anymore can't he at least open source it?

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by Brian_K_White »

senkora wrote: post #41
nostrademons wrote: post #12

I wonder sometimes if there's an earlier level of technology that society could basically "checkpoint" at and freeze, and then build off of. Capitalism today feels like it's hit the Red Queen Paradox - it goes around and around to keep the money flowing, but with very little actual progress. Indeed, most people seem to feel like the world is getting worse for all that work, and that many of the innovations of the las…

You may be interested in Dusk OS, the 32 bit Forth based operating system for the first stage of civilizational collapse: https://duskos.org/

That is super cool.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by actionfromafar »

Figs wrote: post #36
actionfromafar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we going from "the only stable ABI on Linux is Wine", to "the only stable ABI is Wine"? (Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine...)

> Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine... Do you mean Mono, or did I miss something?

Yes, I misremembered some things. Apparently Mono has more compatibility with .NET Framework (for instance 4.81) than dotnet (the current, modern recently released in version 10).

I mixed that up to mean that .NET Framework proper was released as open source, but that's unfortunately not the case.

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