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Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by anamexis »

embedding-shape wrote: post #38
anamexis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is setting up a web server not using more things than you need when you could just drag and drop a folder using one of many different CDN providers? (Or of course set up integrations as you want)

Just because you're using a UI doesn't mean it isn't more complicated. I'm thinking "complexity" in terms of things intertwined, rather than "difficult for someone used to use GUIs".

And configuring a web server as well as the server it is running on is not intertwined complexity?

You're welcome to set up the CDN with a CLI...

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by dandeto »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #20
anamexis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point of CDNs is to host static assets, why wouldn't you use one? They are dead simple to use.

Far more expensive than just having a dumb server somewhere at some normal host. People simply do not understand how expen$ive AWS is, and how little value it actually has for most people.

A year ago I researched this topic for a static website of my own. All providers I looked at were $5 and I want to say the cheapest I found was slightly lower. By comparison, I am still within free tier limits of AWS S3 and cloudfront (CDN) since I am not getting much traffic. So my website is on edge locations all over the world as part of their CDN for free, but if I host on a single server in Ohio it costs $5/month.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by massysett »

dandeto wrote: post #42
DiabloD3 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Far more expensive than just having a dumb server somewhere at some normal host. People simply do not understand how expen$ive AWS is, and how little value it actually has for most people.

A year ago I researched this topic for a static website of my own. All providers I looked at were $5 and I want to say the cheapest I found was slightly lower. By comparison, I am still within free tier limits of AWS S3 and cloudfront (CDN) since I am not getting much traffic. So my website is on edge locations all over the world as part of their CDN for free, but if I host on a single server in Ohio it costs $5/mont…

Did you check NearlyFreeSpeech.net? If you are getting little traffic it costs practically nothing for a static site.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by jazzyjackson »

embedding-shape wrote: post #14
anamexis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS CloudFront pricing seems pretty competitive with other CDNs, at least for sites that are not very high traffic. https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/pricing/

> AWS CloudFront pricing seems pretty competitive with other CDNs Sure, but it's unlikely you actually have to place a CDN in front of your manual, it's mostly text with few images. People default to using CDNs way too quickly today.

But why host my own static content when cloudflare r2 buckets will give me a million reads a month for free?

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by jazzyjackson »

embedding-shape wrote: post #38
anamexis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is setting up a web server not using more things than you need when you could just drag and drop a folder using one of many different CDN providers? (Or of course set up integrations as you want)

Just because you're using a UI doesn't mean it isn't more complicated. I'm thinking "complexity" in terms of things intertwined, rather than "difficult for someone used to use GUIs".

I'm thinking of complexity as "shit I have to pay for"

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by dbalatero »

phplovesong wrote: post #31
IceDane wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why didn't you just follow the link and find out?

Link did not show any data on the why. Im not reading a long blamegame on the why on some random issue.

it took me a minute to figure it out from the link. likely less time than you spent on this comment thread.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by electroly »

nijave wrote: post #24
electroly wrote: post #11

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There are two widely understood downsides of AWS: 1. High egress costs 2. No hard spending limits Both of these were problems for the author. I don't mean to "blame the victim" but the choice of AWS here had a predictable outcome. Static documentation is the easiest content to host and AWS is the most expensive way to host it.

Really high bandwidth costs in general. I've never worked anywhere large enough to hit them, but I've heard inter-AZ traffic in the same region can become quite expensive once you're big enough

Watch out for NAT Gateway, too. An extra $0.045/GB in both directions.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by kstrauser »

nijave wrote: post #25
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 unique IPs or 200,000 shouldn't make a difference, ban the ones that make too many requests automatically and you basically don't have to do anything. Are people not using fail2ban and similar at all anymore? Used to be standard practice until I guess before people started using PaaS instead and "running web applications" became a different role than "developing web applications".

It makes a difference if there's 143,000 unique IPs and 286,000 requests. I think that's what the parent post is saying (lots of requests but also not very many per IP since there's also lots of IPs) Even harder with IPv6 considering things like privacy extensions where the IPs intentionally and automatically rotate

Yes, this is correct. I’d get at most 2 hits from an IP, spaced minutes apart.

I went as far as blocking every AS that fetched a tripwire URL, but ended up blocking a huge chunk of the Internet, to the point that I asked myself whether it’d be easier to allowlist IPs, which is a horrid way to run a website.

But I did block IPv6 addresses as /48 networks, figuring that was a reasonable prefixlen for an individual attacker.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by pwdisswordfishs »

massysett wrote: post #43
dandeto wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A year ago I researched this topic for a static website of my own. All providers I looked at were $5 and I want to say the cheapest I found was slightly lower. By comparison, I am still within free tier limits of AWS S3 and cloudfront (CDN) since I am not getting much traffic. So my website is on edge locations all over the world as part of their CDN for free, but if I host on a single server in Ohio it costs $5/mont…

Did you check NearlyFreeSpeech.net? If you are getting little traffic it costs practically nothing for a static site.

An idle site that receives no hits still costs around $1.50/month with NearlyFreeSpeech.net since the change that limits the number of "non-production" sites that was instituted from around the time when Cloudflare decided to kick out the white supremacists.

Re: Magit manuals are available online again

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Post by phplovesong »

dbalatero wrote: post #46
phplovesong wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link did not show any data on the why. Im not reading a long blamegame on the why on some random issue.

it took me a minute to figure it out from the link. likely less time than you spent on this comment thread.

I cant get why people link to some random github issue instead of writing down a short TLDR and giving the option to read more. Guess its just lazyness.
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