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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#41

It’s inevitable that identification and payments continue to digitize. I’d prefer that physical ID / cash remain legally protected but that I can also go for a run with only my watch and buy a beer afterward

Indeed, it needs some hard legal protections from abuse but it will come eventually.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#43
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I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?

How does this apply to a digital version of an official government ID? The government already has all this data.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#44

There was a post from trailofbits blog recently about how passport crypto works. Kind of related here. I wonder if this is some zero knowledge proofs here or what? Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices. Passport would not allow reading sensitive data from the chip unless the terminal is valid. Another question is if Apple is allowed to read your…

> Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices

They’ve had some form of this for ages with Apple Pay

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#45
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As an aside, I've been using TSA Touchless at select airports. It's pretty slick. No ID, nor Board Pass needed. Just walk up to TSA, and only facial recognition is needed. It's extremely fast too. https://www.tsa.gov/touchless-id

Surely nothing nefarious has ever been promoted with the offer of convenience!

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#47

I feel uncomfortable with these changes. Between this, digital currencies, airlines not doing printed boarding passes, metros requiring smartphones, … it feels like we are going to lose control and privacy as consumers.

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You can be wrong or you can be an ass, but, unfortunately, you're both.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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post #43
post #39

I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?

How does this apply to a digital version of an official government ID? The government already has all this data.

I didn't say anything about the data the government has or doesn't have. I'm talking about perfect enforcement. Try faking a digital ID.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're saying, but if you think of it what we're doing today - handing over the one and only official piece of document to a) cop b) club bouncer etc. They can hold onto it, and never return it. They can deface it. All of that is a possibilty. You could argue, a sufficiently locked down phone is a better alternative. If they do something, you'll only lose $$

> They can hold onto it, and never return it. They can deface it. All of that is a possibility. But they can't potentially look at your banking app, read private notes, messages and emails, operate your home automation, look at your calendar, etc. if all they have is a plastic card.

They can't do that either with Wallet items. That's kind of the point: you can hand over your phone with a wallet item "unlocked" and visible on the screen, and that's all they'll have access to.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to show ID to vote in my country, I thought that was the normal thing.

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No party in the US seem to fight for a secure (end-to-end auditable) voting process. I've yet to hear any politician talk about anything like that, a process where no voter has to trust the system and can be still confident (assuming they understand the underlying math) their vote was counted and counted correctly.

It is true that every scheme out there (that I've read about) has some flaws. But I'd rather have NSA spending their budgets and talent working on this kind of stuff, than spying on citizens or whatever they do.

The current discourse is all about identification during registration vs when voting. Which is meaningful but feels like avoiding the actual issue, as it is still not really secure either way.

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