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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by compiler-guy »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #14
lowmagnet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flock doesn't fight crime, it documents the travel of people without a reason.

It and other ALPR systems real-time alert on things like stolen cars. In my home county they have arrested and convicted criminals due to this. That is fighting crime, by definition. If it was such a bad idea, they shouldn't have installed them in Redmond. Turning them off now because some people assumed things that weren't true is idiocy and sets a bad precedent.

If we made a mistake, we should fix it.

Sometimes it takes an actual bad outcome for people to realize that the potential problems weren’t theoretical.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more.

How so? What mechanism do you see that goes from "ICE acting like the SS" to "a lot more illegal migration in the long term"? What's the cause and effect here?

Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just... I don't see the causality at all.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by nailer »

lalaithion wrote: post #25
focusgroup0 wrote: post #7

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> your silly hypothetical too.

The stats for Southwest Land Border Encounters are available at https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-enc... and the HN guidelines are available at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by seneca »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #20
focusgroup0 wrote: post #7

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on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border? When laws become impractical, they create 11 million law breakers.

> on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border?

No, I don't expect that at all. However the problem with your scenario isn't that they need to wait their turn, it's that they can "just cross the border". That fact that that has been allowed was an intentional policy decision.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by giraffe_lady »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> Voters don't want a streamlined and efficient immigration system that lawfully allows a lot of migrants

There was a really interesting open ended survey some years ago, in the leadup to the trump/clinton election but I can't find it now sorry.

When republicans voters were asked to describe their preferred immigration policies, they outline a stance significantly more permissive and flexible, and less burdensome, than the one we currently have. More liberal than the reality, in other words.

People don't know what the immigration policies are and so they can't know what they should be either. The anti-immigration sentiment is a stunning propaganda victory decades in the making, no more.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #32
gdulli wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason we don't have people recently affected by a tragedy write policy regarding that tragedy, in their heightened emotional state.

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I don't think anyone is going to expect you to listen to anything they have to say when you characterize people who you only just read about second hand as 'hysterical idiots'. It demonstrates that you are not interested in any other point of view.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by nailer »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #20
focusgroup0 wrote: post #7

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on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border? When laws become impractical, they create 11 million law breakers.

How? As a migrant to the US I have generally found the rules quite reasonable, the UX of the websites is poorer than say the UK but the rules seem fine.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #34
notepad0x90 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border? When laws become impractical, they create 11 million law breakers.

>when they can just cross the border This is also a choice for the people in charge of the border. Enforcing a border is a solved problem for a rich, large-population nation.

It isn't. 2/3rds of illegal immigrants come to the US legally (and then overstay). Unless you make it illegal for non-citizens to visit the US, you can't stop most illegal immigration.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by seltzered_ »

"On Thursday, a Skagit County Superior Court judge ruled that pictures taken by Flock cameras in the cities of Sedro-Woolley and Stanwood qualify as public records, and therefore must be released as required by the state’s Public Records Act, court records show."

This video by Tom Lehto talks more about that court case that illustrates citizens can legally do FOIA requests for traffic cameras (e.g. Flock): https://youtu.be/1vQn4MWBln0

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