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Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by nilslindemann »

nilslindemann wrote: post #38
senfiaj wrote: post #36

Honestly I don't know... I'm somewhat skeptical about these "next big thing that will fix all your pains in web development". There is so much fragmentation in JS libraries / frameworks. Angular, React, Vue, Svelte, Asto, SolidJS, NextJS, Nuxt, Qwik... The list is so overwhelming. Almost each one claims that it fixes a problem in other framework, and a year later the other framework fixes that issue... I think it's b…

Honestly I don't know... I'm somewhat skeptical about these "next big thing that will fix all your pains in web development". There is so much fragmentation in JS libraries / frameworks. Angular, React, Vue, Angular, Asto, SolidJS, NextJS, Nuxt, Qwik... The list is so overwhelming. Almost each one claims that it fixes a problem in other framework, a year later the other framework fixes an issue... I think it's better…

No, just kidding. I believe in progressive enhancement, and none of these does this very well.

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by nolanl »

As someone who has actually worked on JavaScript frameworks, I think Marko is criminally underrated. The compile-time optimizations are extremely impressive: https://markojs.com/docs/explanation/fine-grained-bundling

I was not surprised for example that Marko came out very well in this performance comparison: https://www.lorenstew.art/blog/10-kanban-boards

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by mlrawlings »

promiseofbeans wrote: post #14

This is actually quite cool - JS inside HTML, rather than the more React-y HTML inside JS. As I understand it, Ryan Carniato was a major part of this project, and later went on to lead SolidJS, which goes back to the React style HTML in JS. Has he spoken at all about why he went back to that templating style?

Ryan was working on Solid before he joined eBay/Marko. Both projects have benefited from the shared knowledge and approaching a similar solution space from different angles.

He eventually got the opportunity to work on Solid in a more full-time capacity and decided to take it, but still talks with the Marko team from time to time

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by jdmoreira »

marcelr wrote: post #26
shevy-java wrote: post #2

Today is ${new Date().toDateString()} Random number: ${Math.floor(Math.random() * 100)} Sorry, I don't like it. I already disliked that immensely in PHP. Not going back to that spaghetti mesh-up. The intro is also incorrect in my opinion. It writes a "HTML-based language", but this is more a hybrid of HTML and JavaScript. Why is JavaScript not mentioned in the intro?

this comment really proves that people do not consider the information presented to them marko is not comparable to php it is much closer to svelte i used to sympathize with people complaining about js-fatigue, but at some point its a skill issue

Marko is server side. How is that closer to svelte?

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by mlrawlings »

senfiaj wrote: post #36

Honestly I don't know... I'm somewhat skeptical about these "next big thing that will fix all your pains in web development". There is so much fragmentation in JS libraries / frameworks. Angular, React, Vue, Svelte, Asto, SolidJS, NextJS, Nuxt, Qwik... The list is so overwhelming. Almost each one claims that it fixes a problem in other framework, and a year later the other framework fixes that issue... I think it's b…

Marko has been around for over a decade at this point and powers most of eBay. It's not the oldest or the largest, but it's got a pretty solid track record

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by pier25 »

This sort of stuff is just a big nope:
Why make a special language? Just use HTML and TypeScript that will be compatible with editors, tooling, etc. This is the same mistake Imba made.

It's a shame because the core of Marko looks phenomenal: streaming, fine-grained bundling, rendering performance, etc.

Also not sure about the file-based routing of Marko Run. That was a big reason why I abandoned SvelteKit.

Re: Marko – A declarative, HTML‑based language

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Post by nchmy »

afavour wrote: post #37

Maybe just me but I actually think building web apps is already fun. I’ve got a hot reloading instant dev environment, I can publish to users in an instant… it’s great! Looking at the Marko examples I feel the same way I do whenever similar stuff gets showcased: it’s trying to focus too hard on brevity and/or cutesiness and doesn’t seem like it would scale well to a full, complex web app. But maybe it’s not supposed…

FWIW, marko comes from Ebay. So, it scales - and being primarily SSR, its a better UX than your preferred frameworks
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