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Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

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Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

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Post by _jayhack_ »

gnarlouse wrote: post #37

A few things to point out after reading and thinking about this: - Another AI firm building products focused on Fortune 500 scale problems. If you're not at a F500, this tool isn't necessarily a good fit for you, so YMMV. - static analysis tools that produce flowcharts and diagrams like this have existed since antiquity, and I'm not seeing any new real innovation other than "letting the LLM produce it". They say it's…

> static analysis tools that produce flowcharts and diagrams like this have existed since antiquity, and I'm not seeing any new real innovation other than "letting the LLM produce it".

Inherent limitation of static analysis-only visualization tools is lack of flexibility/judgement on what should and should not be surfaced in the final visualization.

The produced visualizations look like machine code themselves. Advantage of having LLMs produce code visualizations is the judgement/common sense on the resolution things should be presented at, so they are intuitive and useful.

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

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Post by apstls »

Sounds very cool.

I wanted to try this out, so I opened Windsurf for the first time in ages and clicked the "Upgrade Available" button, which sent me to: https://windsurf.com/editor/update-linux

  Did you install using apt or apt-get? If so...
  
  1. Update package lists
  
  sudo apt-get update
  
  2. Upgrade Windsurf
  
  sudo apt-get upgrade windsurf
Whle `apt-get upgrade windsurf` will technically upgrade Windsurf, instructing users to run a command that will attempt to upgrade all packages on their system is nuts when the command is provided in a context that strongly implies it will only upgrade Windsurf and has no warnings or footnotes to the contrary. Good thing I didn't ask Windsurf's agent to ugprade itself for me, I guess.

EDIT - I don't want to detract from the topic at hand, however - after upgrading (with `sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade windsurf` :)) and playing around a bit, the Codemaps feature indeed seems very nifty and worth checking out. Good job!

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#43

Post by kps »

apstls wrote: post #42

Sounds very cool. I wanted to try this out, so I opened Windsurf for the first time in ages and clicked the "Upgrade Available" button, which sent me to: https://windsurf.com/editor/update-linux Did you install using apt or apt-get? If so... 1. Update package lists sudo apt-get update 2. Upgrade Windsurf sudo apt-get upgrade windsurf Whle `apt-get upgrade windsurf` will technically upgrade Windsurf, instructing users…

So `apt-get upgrade $PACKAGE` has ridiculous semantics that no one would expect, and the actual syntax for upgrading a package is in neither the man page nor the command help.

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#44

Post by gnarlouse »

_jayhack_ wrote: post #41
gnarlouse wrote: post #37

A few things to point out after reading and thinking about this: - Another AI firm building products focused on Fortune 500 scale problems. If you're not at a F500, this tool isn't necessarily a good fit for you, so YMMV. - static analysis tools that produce flowcharts and diagrams like this have existed since antiquity, and I'm not seeing any new real innovation other than "letting the LLM produce it". They say it's…

> static analysis tools that produce flowcharts and diagrams like this have existed since antiquity, and I'm not seeing any new real innovation other than "letting the LLM produce it". Inherent limitation of static analysis-only visualization tools is lack of flexibility/judgement on what should and should not be surfaced in the final visualization. The produced visualizations look like machine code themselves. Advan…

Although I haven't personally experienced the feeling of "produced visualizations looking like machine code", I can appreciate the argument you're making wrt judgment-based resolution scaling.

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#45

Post by chrisweekly »

ghurtado wrote: post #28
dingnuts wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used it, and I thought it was absolute trash. Goes crazy doing shit I don't want. I spend more time deleting crap I didn't want and reviewing and changing its code than I do just writing it myself. I know what you're going to say: I need to learn to use this groundbreaking technology that is so easy to use that my product manager will soon be doing my job but also is too hard for me a senior engineer, to find va…

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Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#46

Post by normie3000 »

kps wrote: post #43
apstls wrote: post #42

Sounds very cool. I wanted to try this out, so I opened Windsurf for the first time in ages and clicked the "Upgrade Available" button, which sent me to: https://windsurf.com/editor/update-linux Did you install using apt or apt-get? If so... 1. Update package lists sudo apt-get update 2. Upgrade Windsurf sudo apt-get upgrade windsurf Whle `apt-get upgrade windsurf` will technically upgrade Windsurf, instructing users…

So `apt-get upgrade $PACKAGE` has ridiculous semantics that no one would expect, and the actual syntax for upgrading a package is in neither the man page nor the command help.

> So `apt-get upgrade $PACKAGE` has ridiculous semantics that no one would expect

Especially not an LLM!

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#48

Post by mpalmer »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #2

I really think more people should give Windsurf a go. It's really good. I'm a senior engineer and do a mix of agentic and regular coding and I really think people are looking past Windsurf. As the conversation shifted towards Cursor vs Claude code vs Codex people seem to have stopped mentioning it which is a shame. Source: user for 12 months - not a shill. Codemaps was a very pleasant surprise when it showed up.

I co-sign this as a similarly-credentialed person. I use windsurf at work and recently started enjoying Claude Code, but the UX of Windsurf is actually a legit value add. Codemaps especially - been using them for weeks and they're excellent. Ask me again in a year maybe; churn in code could make maintaining codemaps annoying, but even that seems solvable.

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#49

Post by bigwheels »

ashirviskas wrote: post #47

So it is the same thing when I ask Claude to build me mermaid charts of code flows? So no point in this tool?

This was my conclusion, too! Over time as agentic coders get better at handling higher-complexity tasks, this kind of bracing will become less and less necessary.

Re: Codemaps: Understand Code, Before You Vibe It

#50

Post by corefinder »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #2

I really think more people should give Windsurf a go. It's really good. I'm a senior engineer and do a mix of agentic and regular coding and I really think people are looking past Windsurf. As the conversation shifted towards Cursor vs Claude code vs Codex people seem to have stopped mentioning it which is a shame. Source: user for 12 months - not a shill. Codemaps was a very pleasant surprise when it showed up.

I'm surprised that people still aren't discussing Github Copilot baked into VSCode. I pair agent mode + Sonnet 4 + Sequential Thinking + Tavily MCP servers and it works wonders. I recently prototyped the first version of our SaaS with this setup in a minimal amount of time. Also worth nothing, the pricing is extremely reasonable. Free credits + pay per use. I frequently max out the free tier and have never spent more than $40 per month.
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