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Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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embedding-shape wrote: post #31
trhway wrote: post #20

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There already is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Extrajudicial_killings_o... (there even is a larger article about "Capital punishment in Gaza" if that wasn't enough already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza... [goes beyond Hamas]) Did you honestly spend any time at all to see if it was already included in Wikipedia or not before you wrote your comment?

I don't see "genocide" there. It all sounds just like some killing here and there like everywhere else whereis HAMAS does systematic and methodical killing of other clans/tribes/families, and in such a tribal society it falls under "genocide".

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by asdefghyk »

nsp wrote: post #21
embedding-shape wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing that, turns out to be a lot more measured and balanced than the news article makes it out to be. Damn media always fueling the fires rather than spreading understanding and clarify. I think both sides seems to be raising good points, and probably the truth and more balanced view sits in the middle. I continued reading through the talk page and eventually come across this: > the United States gov…

It's a congressional inquiry, the claim is that the editors are biased against Israel. https://www.commondreams.org/news/house-gop-investigates-wik...

RE ".... claim is that the editors are biased against Israel..." We ALL have Bias's

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by trhway »

viccis wrote: post #27
trhway wrote: post #20

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Hamas carried out executions of a few dozen ranking members of opposition groups that had been carrying out attacks and aid banditry against civilians, at the behest of and with the funding of the Israeli government. This is not a "genocide"

We saw what HAMAS does - all the video from Oct 7 - and we have to believe that same HAMAS abuot some mythical "groups that had been carrying out attacks and aid banditry against civilians, at the behest of and with the funding of the Israeli government"

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by embedding-shape »

trhway wrote: post #41
embedding-shape wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Extrajudicial_killings_o... (there even is a larger article about "Capital punishment in Gaza" if that wasn't enough already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza... [goes beyond Hamas]) Did you honestly spend any time at all to see if it was already included in Wikipedia or not before you wrote your comment?

I don't see "genocide" there. It all sounds just like some killing here and there like everywhere else whereis HAMAS does systematic and methodical killing of other clans/tribes/families, and in such a tribal society it falls under "genocide".

Fair enough. In case you didn't know, if you want to have any chance of impacting what's on Wikipedia, create an account and make your point clear in the talk page. Protip before you do that: Don't randomly use ALL CAPS, don't engage in bad faith arguments, and honestly listen to what others say before replying. It isn't impossible to convince people if you can remain neutral about it. Good luck and more importantly, have fun!

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by asdefghyk »

nsp wrote: post #21
embedding-shape wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing that, turns out to be a lot more measured and balanced than the news article makes it out to be. Damn media always fueling the fires rather than spreading understanding and clarify. I think both sides seems to be raising good points, and probably the truth and more balanced view sits in the middle. I continued reading through the talk page and eventually come across this: > the United States gov…

It's a congressional inquiry, the claim is that the editors are biased against Israel. https://www.commondreams.org/news/house-gop-investigates-wik...

Another thing to reaize is ...

In war the first casualty is truth.

I always think of what was claimed to happened in video "collateral murder"

Where US killed several people , because a reporters telephoto lens was mistaked of a rocket launcher, when viewed from a few KM away - OR so we are told.

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
nsp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a congressional inquiry, the claim is that the editors are biased against Israel. https://www.commondreams.org/news/house-gop-investigates-wik...

> the editors are biased against Israel But so what? Is that unlawful in the US somehow today? That sounds absolutely bananas to be honest, aren't people supposed to have "true" freedom of speech, including being allowed to be biased against or for Israel?

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Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #39
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #14

> Another editor responded: “There's also an ‘ongoing controversy’ over whether mRNA vaccines cause ‘turbo cancer’ and whether [Donald] Trump actually won the 2020 Presidential election. Do you want us to be [bold] and go edit those articles as well?” LOL

People are dense. If there aren't any high quality sources on mRNA turbo cancer then you don't need to lower your standards to include it.

Yeah but in this case what's a high quality source for "Israel isn't actually commiting genocide"? Israeli government representatives? Why are they high quality, because they went to prestigious universities and have real power? Not trolling, serious question.

Re: Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page

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Post by fumeux_fume »

puppycodes wrote: post #11

Seems pretty important to require a neutral tone regardless of how egregious the acts are described in the entry. This is what makes Wikipedia good.

I think that goes without saying. The real question is what's the line between neutrality and letting a vocal minority dictate editorial decisions? Especially when the vocal minority has biased incentives towards making those changes.
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