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Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by exomonk »

hatthew wrote: post #7
mrtnmcc wrote: post #5

>> I have several hundred [four leaf clovers]. I even have a few five-leaf clovers and a couple of sixers! That doesn't fit the ratios in my experience.. I find about 1 five-leaf for every 5 four-leafers. They should have nearly 100 five leafers, not merely "a few". EDIT: I checked and indeed the standard ratio is 4.8 four leaf clovers per five-leaf. https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/73279/distributi...

I don't think they are uniformly distributed. Anecdotally, in my friend's backyard, the ratios I found were more like 10000 three-leaf 15 four-leaf 7 five-leaf 4 six-leaf 2 seven-leaf I would assume that the ratios in any given area can be quite different than another area.

So 2:1 for four-leaf:five-leaf?

Seems to reinforce their point that this blog is bs

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by pturing »

iansteyn wrote: post #40
pessimizer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: it is not a falsifiable phenomenon, and there is no medical consensus that it exists.

Source? Or is this satire

If you want to find academic sources arguing against the possibility of measuring and confirming synesthesia or denying its existence, you'll want to dig back to the 1970's. It's not a tenable position in the 21st Century.

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by jsdalton »

pturing wrote: post #32
moralestapia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I don't think synesthesia is behind OP's purported skill.

Hi, synesthesia researcher here! (1) Here's a few relevant things we know: - Synesthesia is not rare. You probably know someone that has synesthesia, even they haven't mentioned it. - There are many forms of synesthesia. Many documented forms that we know of, and very probably a bunch we haven't documented yet. - There are cases of tasks where we are able to measure enhanced performance of that task by synesthetes. (…

That all sounds very interesting. As someone who has synesthesia, I’d be interested if you still maintain those tests you refer to?

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by pturing »

jsdalton wrote: post #43
pturing wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, synesthesia researcher here! (1) Here's a few relevant things we know: - Synesthesia is not rare. You probably know someone that has synesthesia, even they haven't mentioned it. - There are many forms of synesthesia. Many documented forms that we know of, and very probably a bunch we haven't documented yet. - There are cases of tasks where we are able to measure enhanced performance of that task by synesthetes. (…

That all sounds very interesting. As someone who has synesthesia, I’d be interested if you still maintain those tests you refer to?

I'm not currently active with it myself, but the site is still here:

https://synesthete.org

Back when I was handling it, we were still using Flash for most of the interactive tests, because that was how you had to do it when it was first built circa 2007. Obviously those would have had to be redone in HTML5 since then to keep it working on modern browsers.

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by dandersch »

>It's a condition in which one type of stimulation evokes the sensation of another, as when the hearing of a sound produces the visualization of a color.

So what happens when synesthetes watch a movie that is showing blue colors, but the score that they are hearing at that time is making them see red. Do they perceive that as a dissonance?

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by RestartKernel »

thesz wrote: post #28

A case of Solomon Shereshevsky [1] is very relevant here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Shereshevsky He had synesthesia that made him unable to forget things for most of the life. His memory was so good he was able to recite ten and more (10+) years old dialogues word-for-word, some of those included remembering and reciting long arbitrary numbers. How so? Because almost everything he saw, heard or read w…

> He had synesthesia that made him unable to forget things for most of the life.

Some counterpoints from the Wikipedia article as well:

> According to autobiographical diary of Shereshevsky, found by Reed Johnson, he "did not, in fact, have perfect recall". Details of Shereshevsky's biography are different in his own writing from Luria's account. [...] Reynberg recalls that Shereshevsky "could be forgetful", and that he "trained hours a day for his evening performances", because he needed "consciously try to commit something to memory".

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by thangalin »

jp57 wrote: post #6

I, too, experience some synethesia with letters and numbers (two is green, three is yellow, 4 is blue), but when I look at a field of clover, I don't experience a field of numbers representing the number of leaves on the individual clover stalks. In fact that seems like a weird way of perceiving nature. When I see a bird flying with its two wings outstretched, I'm not experiencing the number 2, and thus I get no sens…

The main protagonist in my novel experiences synethesia. She talks about numbers having colours. To help ensure consistency throughout the novel, I developed a text editor (KeenWrite) that allows me to refer to externally defined variables within the prose, such as:

      syn_1: black
      syn_2: purple
      syn_3: red
      syn_4: gold
      syn_5: blue
      syn_6: silver
      syn_7: yellow
      syn_8: brown
      syn_11: teal
      syn_16: orange
It's tempting to change the colour map based on your abilities. How far does your colour mapping go and what other "columbers" (that's what the protagonist calls them) do you perceive?

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by hatthew »

exomonk wrote: post #41
hatthew wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they are uniformly distributed. Anecdotally, in my friend's backyard, the ratios I found were more like 10000 three-leaf 15 four-leaf 7 five-leaf 4 six-leaf 2 seven-leaf I would assume that the ratios in any given area can be quite different than another area.

So 2:1 for four-leaf:five-leaf? Seems to reinforce their point that this blog is bs

my point is that the ratios are variable, and thus 100:1 four-leaf:five-leaf is plausible

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by p1anecrazy »

Atlas667 wrote: post #20
susam wrote: post #3

I am not a synaesthete and I wonder how other non-synaesthetes perceived the '5 vs 2' diagram. Even though I see all the digits in plain black, the triangle of 2s immediately stood out to me. The author writes: 'For me, four-leaf clovers are a different shape so they stand out in a clover patch very much like this. Unlike letters and numbers, however, I don't get a sense of color, it's more like a sense of movement.'…

Yes, I am also inclined to believe this is just natural human psyche phenomenon. This very specific topic about clovers is one that I relate to, I've always found 4 leaf clovers faster. But I wouldnt say I have synesthesia. This has developed/manifested itself into looking for things on a computer screen, which I essentially do for a living. I can hold a piece of text in my head and scroll by quickly to search for it…

Scrolling quickly and having typos jump at me (when I was editing text in the past) and required code fragments (now) is exactly how I experience it.

How strong is your visual imagination?

Re: Synesthesia helps me find four-leaf clovers (2023)

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Post by matsemann »

dandersch wrote: post #45

>It's a condition in which one type of stimulation evokes the sensation of another, as when the hearing of a sound produces the visualization of a color. So what happens when synesthetes watch a movie that is showing blue colors, but the score that they are hearing at that time is making them see red. Do they perceive that as a dissonance?

Have you seen the concept of "impossibly colors"? Maybe like those, where you present one color to one eye and one to the other, and make the brain invent something.
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