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Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by pavlov »

bee_rider wrote: post #30
proee wrote: post #22

I would love to know if Ives was truly foundation to the iPhone, or if he was more given the overall idea and polished it with the final look/feel (which is also important). Who was the exact individual that had the vision for glass multi-touch screens and sick gesture like effects (scroll). Perhaps the team just sat around a table and came up with the vision. Or maybe it was Jobs, but clearly there were some good vi…

Did iOS actually invent the idea of scrolling with a gesture? I could have sworn it already existed at the time. Like panning over a map on a GPS… The momentum on iOS is nicely tuned though.

Adobe Illustator had a Hand tool already in 1987 that let you pan the canvas by dragging the mouse. Probably it’s older than that.

But adding the physical feel of momentum and inertia was Apple’s invention, AFAIK.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by UI_at_80x24 »

bee_rider wrote: post #30
proee wrote: post #22

I would love to know if Ives was truly foundation to the iPhone, or if he was more given the overall idea and polished it with the final look/feel (which is also important). Who was the exact individual that had the vision for glass multi-touch screens and sick gesture like effects (scroll). Perhaps the team just sat around a table and came up with the vision. Or maybe it was Jobs, but clearly there were some good vi…

Did iOS actually invent the idea of scrolling with a gesture? I could have sworn it already existed at the time. Like panning over a map on a GPS… The momentum on iOS is nicely tuned though.

Not necessarily the first, but the earliest that I can remember: Decades ago (before they were sold/bought/sold), Opera (web browser/suite) used gestures as a navigation tool with your mouse. I never could figure out how to get it to work, but it was a thing.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by UI_at_80x24 »

_vaporwave_ wrote: post #17

> The iPhone wasn't successful because of its beautiful design. It was because it packed everything we needed every day—phone calls, music, internet, photos, maps—into a single device. Have to disagree here. There were many devices before (and after) the iPhone that offered this package but it stands above the rest because of its design and polish.

Its the screen (size) that mattered. While screens make terrible input devices, for content consumption they are king. And that is the dividing line between blackberry/iphones. An argument can also be made for "boring business blackberry" vs "fun" iphone.

The apps were worse, but you had that HUGE screen to look at. And compared to other non-blackberry phones where you were limited to T9 text input, it was a game changer.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

mc32 wrote: post #11
zelos wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but plenty of people are prepared to poke their fingers in their eyes every morning in order to avoid wearing glasses, so it can't be all that popular a form factor.

Probably because wearing eye glasses signals a handicap whereas this instead could signal being part of an in-group. Kind of like torn jeans. Before the mid sixties torn clothing would signify economic disadvantage and you’d avoid it if possible but afterwards it signified rebellion and people wanted to signal rebelliousness with torn jeans or at least signal being part of an in-group however large and diluted it be.

> Before the mid sixties torn clothing would signify economic disadvantage

It still does. Absolutely insane to me that people are willing to put on the appearance of being poor, and they think it's cool. You will never catch me wearing ripped jeans, but maybe that's because I grew up poor enough that I had to wear ripped jeans when we couldn't afford new ones.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

jasonthorsness wrote: post #28
stronglikedan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty, but not most. More and more people have accepted glasses now that they've become more fashionable. In fact, anywhere you go, the majority of people are likely wearing glasses if you take the time to notice. They pretty much blend right in anymore, so it's much less noticeable unless you're looking for it.

Both of my kids wanted to need a glasses prescription

That's so wild. Why on earth would anyone want worse eyes? It's a complete pain in the ass. Glasses make people look uglier, you have to keep track of them, they make stuff like 3D movies a pain (cause the glasses don't fit especially well over your normal glasses). I have had glasses since I was a kid and I would love to have been born with healthy eyesight.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

#46

Post by angiolillo »

bee_rider wrote: post #30
proee wrote: post #22

I would love to know if Ives was truly foundation to the iPhone, or if he was more given the overall idea and polished it with the final look/feel (which is also important). Who was the exact individual that had the vision for glass multi-touch screens and sick gesture like effects (scroll). Perhaps the team just sat around a table and came up with the vision. Or maybe it was Jobs, but clearly there were some good vi…

Did iOS actually invent the idea of scrolling with a gesture? I could have sworn it already existed at the time. Like panning over a map on a GPS… The momentum on iOS is nicely tuned though.

Touchscreen scrolling has been in consumer products since at least the early 1980s and inertial scrolling on a touchscreen has been around since at least the early 1990s with Sun's Star7[1].

(And I wouldn't be surprised if there are academic papers that predate the consumer products by a decade or more.)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CsTH9S79qI&t=266s

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by cindyllm »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #45
jasonthorsness wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both of my kids wanted to need a glasses prescription

That's so wild. Why on earth would anyone want worse eyes? It's a complete pain in the ass. Glasses make people look uglier, you have to keep track of them, they make stuff like 3D movies a pain (cause the glasses don't fit especially well over your normal glasses). I have had glasses since I was a kid and I would love to have been born with healthy eyesight.

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Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by proee »

angiolillo wrote: post #46
bee_rider wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did iOS actually invent the idea of scrolling with a gesture? I could have sworn it already existed at the time. Like panning over a map on a GPS… The momentum on iOS is nicely tuned though.

Touchscreen scrolling has been in consumer products since at least the early 1980s and inertial scrolling on a touchscreen has been around since at least the early 1990s with Sun's Star7[1]. (And I wouldn't be surprised if there are academic papers that predate the consumer products by a decade or more.) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CsTH9S79qI&t=266s

That is a seriously sick demo. I had no idea such capability existed back then. Way ahead of its time.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by proee »

gmm1990 wrote: post #27
proee wrote: post #22

I would love to know if Ives was truly foundation to the iPhone, or if he was more given the overall idea and polished it with the final look/feel (which is also important). Who was the exact individual that had the vision for glass multi-touch screens and sick gesture like effects (scroll). Perhaps the team just sat around a table and came up with the vision. Or maybe it was Jobs, but clearly there were some good vi…

I think he could have been instrumental to the iphone (not saying he was or wasn't) and whatever he tries next is a complete flop. The ability to be successful is contextual, and great artists can produce mediocre art.

Yes, he could be a one-hit-wonder artist.

Re: It's the “hardware”, stupid

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Post by worthless-trash »

ge96 wrote: post #4
turtleyacht wrote: post #2

Someday, it won't be a device; it will already be in the air.

Could be a plot device, nanites that only certain people's genetic lineage can control, they wave their hands and the swarms of nanites move like waves as if they were a mage casting a spell

I can't identify your voice spellcaster,try retraining your voice model in the Home app, checking that your correct account is linked, and ensuring the app and device firmware are updated
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