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Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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Post by darth_avocado »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #8

Thankfully this “update” shouldn’t affect me too much. We already have well established guidelines and schedules for remote work. That being said, I feel like complaining about Teams. Who else is frustrated by its unusually short idle timer? Setting my status to “Away” after only five minutes just makes me look bad. There are definitely managers who somehow think that an 8 hour workday actually means 8 hours of conti…

> Thankfully this “update” shouldn’t affect me too much. We already have well established guidelines and schedules for remote work

Not yet. Whenever you feel “this doesn’t affect me” about anything, just pause and think “if my situation was different, would I feel differently about it?”. If the answer is yes, you should react the same way as if you’re affected by it.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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Post by caminante »

onionisafruit wrote: post #20

If you need software to figure out if somebody is in the office, then it isn’t important for them to be in the office. The supposed benefit of being in the office is because teams work better in person. If everybody else is at the office, it’s obvious who isn’t there.

This is a paper trail for "just cause" to fire someone.

Also shortens the leash on corp debt slaves.

Edit: this is the "enterprise solution", whereas I agree you're right at the margins.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#43

Post by unyttigfjelltol »

MS tries to do way too much with M365 Teams. Why is this application concerned at all about the details of my WiFi connection? What if I’m wired? Tattle then?

Teams has it’s own bug-addled system-independent audio settings too, and it completely broke compatibility with my Bluetooth headset device some years ago. Took forever to diagnose. MS can’t help but layer complexity on needless complexity in Teams while allowing this bloatware to continue to harbor extremely obvious and annoying bugs.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#44

Post by Gigachad »

palmotea wrote: post #30
nerdsniper wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacBooks just provide their GPS location to Jamf thanks to FindMy. Sure, you could spoof that by keeping it in a Faraday cage and use a $10,000 signal generator to generate GPS signals. But then you go to all that trouble and still have to VPN into the office from an IP outside of your office.

> MacBooks just provide their GPS location to Jamf thanks to FindMy. 1. Do MacBooks even have proper GPS hardware onboard? Honest question. 2. I wouldn't think GPS would actually work very well, given how cavernous office buildings are--no clear view of the sky for GPS. And if you get a GPS signal indoors at home, it shouldn't be too hard to block.

I don’t know if it’s real GPS or something more like how phones lookup near by wifi networks to get location, but MacBooks seem to get pinpoint precision location

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#45

Post by ape4 »

devjab wrote: post #22
mongol wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it can and willl be used more statistically. Yes, from your background you will get a sense and form an opinion, but with this, you can generate a report that says with high accuracy where you have spent every hour. This will be more sharp ammunition in case the employer want to use it against you.

If it goes by WIFI and not the wired network it'll be rather of useless in every enterprise organisation I've ever worked in. I'm not sure I've even worked in a place where the WIFI wasn't a guest network. Don't get me wrong, I'd like the feature. I work in a fully flexible place, but part of that is setting your status to be "working from outside the office" when you're not there. If that could happen automatically…

Most likely the article is glossing over details. It probably works by the network your connected to (wired or wifi).

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#46

Post by mcny »

unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #43

MS tries to do way too much with M365 Teams. Why is this application concerned at all about the details of my WiFi connection? What if I’m wired? Tattle then? Teams has it’s own bug-addled system-independent audio settings too, and it completely broke compatibility with my Bluetooth headset device some years ago. Took forever to diagnose. MS can’t help but layer complexity on needless complexity in Teams while allowi…

My biggest pet peeve - Ctrl plus shift plus v pastes unformatted but right next to it is Ctrl plus shift plus c which starts a call in whatever chat you are in. Also there is no way within ms teams to remove this binding. Wat‽

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#47

Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

darth_avocado wrote: post #41
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #8

Thankfully this “update” shouldn’t affect me too much. We already have well established guidelines and schedules for remote work. That being said, I feel like complaining about Teams. Who else is frustrated by its unusually short idle timer? Setting my status to “Away” after only five minutes just makes me look bad. There are definitely managers who somehow think that an 8 hour workday actually means 8 hours of conti…

> Thankfully this “update” shouldn’t affect me too much. We already have well established guidelines and schedules for remote work Not yet. Whenever you feel “this doesn’t affect me” about anything, just pause and think “if my situation was different, would I feel differently about it?”. If the answer is yes, you should react the same way as if you’re affected by it.

Don’t get me wrong, I think this is a bad thing. Microsoft has really ticked me off lately, and I lament the fact that there’s really nothing I can do to change this. Microsoft doesn’t really listen to feedback, and when they do, they tend to just delay the rollout until after the controversy has died down (Recall).

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#48

Post by zrobotics »

onionisafruit wrote: post #20

If you need software to figure out if somebody is in the office, then it isn’t important for them to be in the office. The supposed benefit of being in the office is because teams work better in person. If everybody else is at the office, it’s obvious who isn’t there.

Well, obviously the managers won't be working from the office, they're perfectly capable of WFH. Really funny in a way, since their work output is way harder to measure.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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Post by stuffn »

Shadow IT is about to make a major comeback.

Nothing a little rpi nano running some lightweight VPN and some clever glue code couldn't fix. It isn't terribly difficult to slip into an IDF unnoticed and your IT department is probably disgruntled enough you could work them for a few months and get them to look the other way, anyway.

Really though this is all very exhausting. The media, controlled exclusively by corporate interests, has come up with all kinds of terms to disparage people. Just doing your job and getting by is "quiet quitting", etc. For those that didn't RTO you are probably getting railroaded.

I despise what I read here from pro-RTO posters because they miss the point. The great propaganda dispensed to us that "being the office was necessary" was proven wrong, without loss of generality, during COVID for nearly every cube farm job. It surprised no one when billions of dollars were spent buying news coverage about how RTO "harmed collaboration" and all kinds of other things. If going back to the office is such an amazing productivity boost why do you need nanny software? The answer is simple and we all have known it. It's only about control. We know that majority of capital for VCs comes from extortion level rates for multi-year leases of office buildings. VCs, too, are frauds. All of them. VCs control the C and Vs, C and Vs control the tax cattle.

It's bullshit of the highest order. All corporate work is just a pyramid scheme in different clothes. The sociopaths who run companies (of which I believe anyone who makes it to V or C level displays two or more sociopathic traits) do not like it when their reality distortion field falls apart.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#50

Post by zrobotics »

mcny wrote: post #46
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #43

MS tries to do way too much with M365 Teams. Why is this application concerned at all about the details of my WiFi connection? What if I’m wired? Tattle then? Teams has it’s own bug-addled system-independent audio settings too, and it completely broke compatibility with my Bluetooth headset device some years ago. Took forever to diagnose. MS can’t help but layer complexity on needless complexity in Teams while allowi…

My biggest pet peeve - Ctrl plus shift plus v pastes unformatted but right next to it is Ctrl plus shift plus c which starts a call in whatever chat you are in. Also there is no way within ms teams to remove this binding. Wat‽

You should be able to capture this keybinding with autohotkey. I don't have my script handy, on mobile, but you can capture keys based on the active window. These keystrokes aren't passed to the active window, so you could have it take an alternate (or no) action.
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