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GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

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For me Android Auto is a must, it's a no brainer as a requirement for a new modern car.

For the Love of God, what the GM, Rivian and Tesla engineers are thinking by not including CarPlay and Android Auto?

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#42

CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car Do you own a GM vehicle? Were you considering it? No CarPlay is a dealbreaker for me too. I’m just not convinced there are that many of us.

The number I’ve seen is that CarPlay specifically is in the top ~2 prios for 79% of new car shoppers in the US. I think there’s probably enough mass here, and GM doesn’t have the niche EV/SW cachet that Rivian and Tesla have despite lacking CarPlay so I don’t think this will go well for them.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#43

CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car Do you own a GM vehicle? Were you considering it? No CarPlay is a dealbreaker for me too. I’m just not convinced there are that many of us.

It's basically the feature to a huge number of consumers. Various numbers I've seen place not having it as a dealbreaker for somewhere between 15% to 80% of buyers, especially the younger ones. It's more important than virtually any other feature you can name.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#45

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> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car Do you own a GM vehicle? Were you considering it? No CarPlay is a dealbreaker for me too. I’m just not convinced there are that many of us.

It's basically the feature to a huge number of consumers. Various numbers I've seen place not having it as a dealbreaker for somewhere between 15% to 80% of buyers, especially the younger ones. It's more important than virtually any other feature you can name.

Wild how different people’s expectations can be. I’ve never even owned a car with any of these systems, yet they’re dealbreakers for others. Not saying they’re good or bad, just remarking on how something one person has never even thought about could be an absolute requirement for someone else!

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#46

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It's basically the feature to a huge number of consumers. Various numbers I've seen place not having it as a dealbreaker for somewhere between 15% to 80% of buyers, especially the younger ones. It's more important than virtually any other feature you can name.

Wild how different people’s expectations can be. I’ve never even owned a car with any of these systems, yet they’re dealbreakers for others. Not saying they’re good or bad, just remarking on how something one person has never even thought about could be an absolute requirement for someone else!

It's surprisingly common. A lot of standard features (reclining seats, AC, large fuel tanks, back seats, large trunks, fuel efficiency) aren't important to all buyers, but they're important to some buyers. Over time they creep into the standard feature set as manufacturers design new models because the economies of scale from additional customers and a simpler production line outweigh the additional costs.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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It's basically the feature to a huge number of consumers. Various numbers I've seen place not having it as a dealbreaker for somewhere between 15% to 80% of buyers, especially the younger ones. It's more important than virtually any other feature you can name.

Wild how different people’s expectations can be. I’ve never even owned a car with any of these systems, yet they’re dealbreakers for others. Not saying they’re good or bad, just remarking on how something one person has never even thought about could be an absolute requirement for someone else!

It’s definitely about expectations. I suspect that a lot of people, once they’ve used CarPlay or (presumably) android auto, would find it very difficult to go back to the experience that the typical car manufacturer is shipping.

I’ve never used a car that I was impressed with the built-in navigation or anything else that I might otherwise do on the phone. Aside from Google and Apple just shipping more polished products in general than the teams that seem to be building infotainment systems, the specific phone integration also makes a lot of stuff easier. Yes, I can use voice to ask Siri to do something. But I can also just use my phone to type in an address or whatever else. I cannot do that with Chevy’s built-in system. I also frankly don’t want to pay Chevy or any other car manufacturer a subscription fee for up-to-date maps or traffic that my phone has already.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#49

Dumb question, but do you think they're trying to monetize the data?

Yes, three ways minimum for GM to monetize this: subscriptions for features, telematics data gathering, ad and app revenue from third parties.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

#50

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It’s not only that, but your phone already has all your data. Calendar appointments, addresses of contacts, music, podcasts, etc. Do replicate this, you’d either need to sync all of that to your car, or migrate to Google’s ecosystem… maybe both. With the track record of automakers and data privacy, I don’t know who would knowingly do that. It also seems like a giant pain when nearly every other car doesn’t ask the bu…

They will 100% reverse this decision. Surprising it made it past engineering strategy & leadership at a company as large as GM and that they would even float this publicly without the details... but this will be walked back. How large companies can make it so far and still have such insane decision-making (management by instinct?) is so wild to behold.

If you have 100% confidence about this, you could make a lot of money on betting platforms like Polymarket.

I'm sure someone would take the other side of your odds, and if you're right, you win.

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