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Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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Oh, it's just a bit of fun: https://longnow.org/ideas/long-now-years-five-digit-dates-an... You'd be amazed at how seriously people can take things like date formats sometimes.

I find it improper that we count from 2025 years ago. We should count from the beginning of time.

My birthday was October 17th, 14000000005, but after some new physics estimates, it turns out it’s really October 13th, 14000000008.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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Yes, the title has been changed. The one I posted clearly said "Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation”.

Can you change it back? Currently it says "Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg, has died," which seems to be misleading people.

I can’t, sorry, there’s no edit button, I guess because of low karma. Maybe the mods (or who changed it) can revert it to the old title.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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Just to clarify, Greg Newby was not the CEO of Project Gutenberg, which was founded in 01971, but of the Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, which he founded in 02000 or 02001. It has contributed immensely to Project Gutenberg, but they are not the same thing. Newby would never have attempted to take credit for PG. Edit: the post title has been fixed now.

Are the years intended to be read in octal?

It's one of these Long Now things. The goal is to get people to think in long term time frames.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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You got me curious about the leading zero.

Oh, it's just a bit of fun: https://longnow.org/ideas/long-now-years-five-digit-dates-an... You'd be amazed at how seriously people can take things like date formats sometimes.

There's an xkcd in the making here, if it doesn't exist already.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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I find it improper that we count from 2025 years ago. We should count from the beginning of time.

I've become an unironic proponent of HE, the Human Era. For CE dates, we just add 10000 (I'm writing this from 12025). But for BCE dates, they're subtracted and it makes things so much clearer when it comes to telling how long ago something was. E.g. the sundial was invented around 6000 HE, steel was developed around 9000 HE. Kurtzgesagt has a really great video about the subject: https://youtu.be/czgOWmtGVGs There's…

It's better to call this Holocene Era even though Holocene didn't exactly start in 10,000 BCE, because modern humans were around for a long time prior to the 10,000 BCE epoch. Some people have proposed 8,000 BCE as an epoch, styling this "After the development of Agriculture". According to this epoch, we'd currently be in year 10025 A.D.A., which is neat.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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Can you change it back? Currently it says "Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg, has died," which seems to be misleading people.

I can’t, sorry, there’s no edit button, I guess because of low karma. Maybe the mods (or who changed it) can revert it to the old title.

They seem to have done so now.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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While new works do trickle into the public domain every year, it's worth noting that copyright status is not currently the main bottleneck to public domain cultural works being made widely available to the public under F.A.I.R. (Findable, Accessible, Interoperable, Reusable) principles. There's a huge amount of extant literature and music in the public domain that someone has scanned and perhaps put up online as raw…

That's true, but its framing sort of rests on an assumption of fungibility that doesn't really hold. There are many important cultural works whose copyright status is currently the main bottleneck to their being made widely available to the public. Part of why this happens is that, in any medium, most works aren't very popular. A few years ago, someone who worked at YouTube told me that more than half of YouTube vide…

> But that doesn't mean that ... the product of their activity is worth spending extra effort to preserve a century later, any more than the baked trout or the toilet clog would be.

Why not? What's a more likely question to an AI that might have been trained on these books: "Tell me some ideas for my kid's birthday party next January" or "Write out a huge book-length story about a magical school for wizards?" I surmise that the former is a lot more likely to happen than the latter. "Harry Potter" is just pure ephemera. Nobody will find it worthwhile in 200 years.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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I find it improper that we count from 2025 years ago. We should count from the beginning of time.

I've become an unironic proponent of HE, the Human Era. For CE dates, we just add 10000 (I'm writing this from 12025). But for BCE dates, they're subtracted and it makes things so much clearer when it comes to telling how long ago something was. E.g. the sundial was invented around 6000 HE, steel was developed around 9000 HE. Kurtzgesagt has a really great video about the subject: https://youtu.be/czgOWmtGVGs There's…

An unfortunate suggestion of that nomenclature is that it suggests that "humanity" came into existence only 12025 years ago, which would mean that the creatures before that time were all non-human. This is especially unfortunate given that it strongly implies that, for example, either Khoisan people, Australian people, or European people are human, but not more than one of the three, since they diverged genetically before that date. While, on one level, this is merely a semantic issue about the definition of the word "human", on another level it mirrors the ideological justifications for mass enslavement and genocide that caused historically unprecedented atrocities in the 20th century (unsurpassed until Mao surpassed them), because most people's ethical systems accord special privileges to "humans", for example holding that killing any number of nonhumans is justifiable if it saves even one human's life, or, in most cases, even if it merely provides them with meat to eat.

While I don't believe the Kurzgesagt staff endorse genocide and cannibalism, I think they may not have clearly thought out the implications of their choice of terminology.

Premack's timeline that you link does not make the same error, calling it the "Holocene Era", as Emiliani did.

Re: Greg Newby, CEO of Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, has died

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I'm shocked and saddened to hear this. Greg was a deep source of knowledge and support as I started and shepherded Standard Ebooks. He was generous with his time and experience, and unbelievably patient with me, some guy he had never heard of or met before who was just another cold-email in what must have been an endless stream in his inbox. We should all aspire to his high spirit of camaraderie, charity, and kindness. The world has lost a champion of both literature and the free web.
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