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Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by bonoboTP »

sofixa wrote: post #27
bonoboTP wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will adjust. And guess what, before photography, people managed somehow. People gossiped all sorts of stuff, spread malicious runors and you had to guess what's a lie and what's not. The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence.

> The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence. Which are inapplicable today. > We will adjust Will we? Maybe years later... per event. It's finally now dawning on the majority of Britons that Brexit was a mistake they were lied about.

That has nothing to do with GenAI.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by truelson »

schnable wrote: post #34

OpenAI is making a wild number of product plays at once, trying to leverage the value of the frontier model, brand value, and massive number of eyeballs they own. Sora is just one of many. Some will fail and maybe some will succeed. It seems true that no company has used frontier models to create a product with business value commensurate with the cost it takes to train and run them. That what OpenAI is trying to do…

It's to their benefit to try everything right now. And quickly.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by schnable »

sofixa wrote: post #27
bonoboTP wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will adjust. And guess what, before photography, people managed somehow. People gossiped all sorts of stuff, spread malicious runors and you had to guess what's a lie and what's not. The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence.

> The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence. Which are inapplicable today. > We will adjust Will we? Maybe years later... per event. It's finally now dawning on the majority of Britons that Brexit was a mistake they were lied about.

> Maybe years later...

It is a concern... it took a few centuries for the printing press to spur the Catholic/Protestant wars and then finally resolve them.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by mentalgear »

gilfoy wrote: post #32
mentalgear wrote: post #13

The fact that OpenAI is pushing Sora, and Altman now even hinting at introducing "erotic roleplay"[0] makes it obvious: openAI has stopped being a real AI research lab. Now, they’re just another desperate player in a no-moat market, scrambling to become the primary platform of this hype era and imprison users onto their platform, just like Microsoft and Facebook did before in the PC and social era. [0] https://www.40…

Why is it one or the other? They have enough money to do both.

But if you followed them, there are focusing only on product for the last 2 years. The grand GPT-5 and their scaling laws, from which all their LLM AGI hopes originated, turned out to be a dud.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by Razengan »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

I'm more concerned about Sora (and video-generating AI in general) being the final pour that cements us into our post-truth world. People will be swayed by AI-generated videos while also being convinced real videos are AI. I'm kinda terrified of the future of politics.

Well, usually when there's a mass problem, some technology eventually eliminates it.

Like cars making horse manure in cities a non-issue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w61d-NBqafM)

Maybe the solution to everybody lying would be some way to directly access a person's actual memories from their brains..

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by kulahan »

bilekas wrote: post #19
pmontra wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they'll have to tour and meet people in person because videos will be devoid of trust. On the other side we want to believe in something, so we'll believe in the video that will suit our beliefs. It's an interesting struggle.

Yeah I'm just as annoyed with the AI slop that's coming out as anyone, but the next generation of voters won't believe a thing and so they will be pushed towards believing what they see in real life like campaigners who go door to door etc. It could be a great thing and would give meaning to he electoral system again ironically!

Honestly I can't see a solution beyond concentrating power to highly localized regions. Lots more mayors, city councils, etc. so there is a real chance you can meet someone who represents you.

I don't fully believe anything I see on the internet that isn't backed up by at least two independent sources. Even then, I've probably been tricked at least once.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by pessimizer »

sofixa wrote: post #27
bonoboTP wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will adjust. And guess what, before photography, people managed somehow. People gossiped all sorts of stuff, spread malicious runors and you had to guess what's a lie and what's not. The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence.

> The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence. Which are inapplicable today. > We will adjust Will we? Maybe years later... per event. It's finally now dawning on the majority of Britons that Brexit was a mistake they were lied about.

> Which are inapplicable today.

No, they are not.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by pdntspa »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

I'm more concerned about Sora (and video-generating AI in general) being the final pour that cements us into our post-truth world. People will be swayed by AI-generated videos while also being convinced real videos are AI. I'm kinda terrified of the future of politics.

Just yesterday I saw a Sora-generated video that purported to be someone filming a failed HIMARS missile failing and falling on stopped traffic and exploding on the 5 in Camp Pendleton on Saturday. (IRL they were doing some kind of live-fire drill and it did actually involve projectiles flying over the freeway.)

While there were some debris instances IRL the freeway was completely shut down per the governors orders and nobody was harmed. (Had he not done this, that same debris may have hit motorists, so this was a good call on his part)

You could see the "Sora" watermark in the video, but it was still popular enough to make it in my reels feed that is normally always a different kind of content.

In this case whoever made that was sloppy enough to use a turnkey service like Sora. I can easily generate videos suitable for reels using my GPU and those programs don't (visibly) watermark.

We are in for dark times. Who knows how many AI-generated propaganda videos are slipping under the radar because the operator is actually half-skilled.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by highwaylights »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

I'm more concerned about Sora (and video-generating AI in general) being the final pour that cements us into our post-truth world. People will be swayed by AI-generated videos while also being convinced real videos are AI. I'm kinda terrified of the future of politics.

I'm surprised this isn't a bigger concern given that:

For over a year now we've been at the point whereby a video of anyone saying or doing anything can be generated by anyone and put on the Internet, and it's only becoming more convincing (and rapidly)

We've been living in a post-truth world for almost ten years, so it's now become normalized

Almost half of the population has been conditioned to believe anything that supports their political alignment

People will actually believe incredibly far-fetched things, and when the original video has been debunked, will still hold the belief because by that point the Internet has filled up with more garbage to support something they really want to believe

It's a weird time to be alive

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by mola »

zerosizedweasle wrote: post #2

"Whether Sora lasts or not, however, is somewhat beside the point. What catches my attention most is that OpenAI released this app in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that Sam Altman was still comparing the release of GPT-5 to the testing of the first atomic bomb , and many commentators took Dario Amodei at his word when he proclaimed 50% of white collar jobs might soon be automated by LLM-based tools." That'…

I think the motivation for someone like Altman is not AGI, it's power and influence. And when he wields billions he has power, it doesn't really matter if there's AGI coming.
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