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The same "walled garden" app store that is much maligned on HN?
Yup. Geeks don’t like it. But Apple is a three-trillion-dollar corporation, because most folks aren’t geeks.
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Oh stop the wiggling. You said hundreds of dollars and they aren't. Now you are switching your argument to "free phones" there are no free phones you still pay for them. In lower income countries your carrier even installs malware as part of their bloat itself. The backmarket prizes in these countries are even more attainable for older iPhone models. Instead of paying your shady carrier you can finance the refurbs. J…
You're making an impressively bad faith argument here. Yes if you buy an ancient device it is less. If we compare apples to apples, or apples to androids, you could buy an equally old android device for next to nothing. Any "wiggling" was because the discussion was about new devices before you decided to pretend to miss the context clues. You are delusional if you think that there exists an iPhone that is not much mo…
> You can even get apple care with the new subscription model and sneak a new battery for 12 bucks
> you could buy an equally old android device for next to nothing
Is that Android device going to have any support or security updates or battery life?
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I’m not saying that you should cajole them into doing something they don’t want to do, but in case it’s useful to anyone else reading this, I had a good experience having family make that switch for that reason. Having used Google, Samsung, and Apple phones extensively, I knew that switching to iOS is way less frustrating than going in the other direction, or even from vanilla Android to Samsung, IMO. The iPhone 16e…
$599 for a phone is frankly exorbitant for what is required here. The phone they have have that was being asked about is probably either free or close to it with carrier incentives. Here on HN we are in a bit of a bubble. Most users of this site can just make a $500 purchase if they want to and not think about it. The median American's liquid savings are well under $10k, and buying the least expensive iPhone is a bur…
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You neglected to mention Google's Android. It's business model that maximizes for reach over everything else is the root cause.
The two options are reach over all else, or control of its customers and overcharging them at every turn over all else. One is not obviously better than the other, though I'll grant that Apple has managed to get their users to a place where being subjected to them has become a point of pride, which is impressive.
do you have an example of "overcharging them at every turn"? looking at the Google One [1] vs Apple iCloud [2] pricing it seems pretty similar.
------ Google Apple
5 GB: free free
50 GB: N/A $0.99
100 GB:$1.99 N/A
2 TB: $9.99 $9.99
6 TB: N/A $29.99
[1] https://one.google.com/about/plans?hl=en&g1_landing_page=0
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Yes: “App Store” on iOS protects you against exactly this.
The same "walled garden" app store that is much maligned on HN?
Stopping carriers from ruining phones is quite popular on HN from what I've seen.
I looked through the AppHub APK last year after a friend told me they'd found unknown apps installed on their flagship Samsung, and I was very surprised to find some of the same "direct download" references you did. I've known for a long time that T-Mobile shipped junk apps upon initial setup, but seeing them loaded OTA after a single click on an ad (even a few pixels off of the "x" button) is very concerning. Even p…
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