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NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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It isn't that good for local LLM inferencing. It's not designed to be as such.

It's designed to be a local dev machine for Nvidia server products. It has the same software and hardware stack as enterprise Nvidia hardware. That's what it is designed for.

Wait for M5 series Macs for good value local inferencing. I think the M5 Pro/Max are going to be very good values.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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How representative is this platform of the bigger GB200 and GB300 chips? Could I write code that runs on Spark and effortlessly run it on a big GB300 system with no code changes?

If you mean CUDA specific then yes. The biggest benefit of these machines over the others is the CUDA ecosystem and tools like cuDF, cuGraph etc

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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I see! Do you know what's causing the slowdown for ollama? They should be using the same backend..

Dude, ggerganov is the creator of llama.cpp. Kind of a legend. And of course he is right, you should've used llama.cpp. Or you can just ask the ollama people about the ollama problems. Ollama is (or was) just a Go wrapper around llama.cpp.

Was. They've been diverging.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

#45
I think my 2001 MBP M1 Pro is ~200GB/s memory bandwidth, but it handles qwen3:32b quite nicely, albeit maxed out at ~70W.

I somehow expected the Spark to be the 'God in a Box' moment for local AI, but it feels like they went for trying to sell multiple units instead.

I'd be more tempted by a 2nd hand 128GB M2 ultra at ~800GB/s but the prices here are still high, and I'm not sure the Spark is going to convince people to part with those, unless we see some M5 glutenous RAM boxes soon. An easy way for Apple to catch up again.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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Well, that’s disappointing since the Mac Studio 128GB is $3,499. If Apple happens to launch a Mac Mini with 128GB RAM it would eat Nvidia Sparks’ lunch every day.

Only if it runs CUDA, MLX / Metal isn't comparable as ecosystem. People that keep pushing for Apple gear tend to forget Apple has decided what industry considers industry standards, proprietary or not, aren't made available on their hardware. Even if Metal is actually a cool API to program for.

CUDA is equally proprietary and not an industry standard though, unless you were thinking of Vulcan/OpenCL which doesn’t bring much in this situation.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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Only if it runs CUDA, MLX / Metal isn't comparable as ecosystem. People that keep pushing for Apple gear tend to forget Apple has decided what industry considers industry standards, proprietary or not, aren't made available on their hardware. Even if Metal is actually a cool API to program for.

CUDA is equally proprietary and not an industry standard though, unless you were thinking of Vulcan/OpenCL which doesn’t bring much in this situation.

CUDA isn't the industry standard? What is then?

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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Only if it runs CUDA, MLX / Metal isn't comparable as ecosystem. People that keep pushing for Apple gear tend to forget Apple has decided what industry considers industry standards, proprietary or not, aren't made available on their hardware. Even if Metal is actually a cool API to program for.

CUDA is equally proprietary and not an industry standard though, unless you were thinking of Vulcan/OpenCL which doesn’t bring much in this situation.

Yes it is an industry standard, there is even a technical term for it.

It is called De facto standard, which you can check in your favourite dictionary.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

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Something is wrong with your numbers: gpt-oss-20b and gpt-oss-120b should be much much faster than what you are seeing. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with llama-bench instead of ollama. Running gpt-oss-120b with a rtx 5090 and 2/3 of the experts offloaded to system RAM (less than half of the memory bandwidth of this thing), my machine gets ~4100tps prefill and ~40tps decode. Your spreadsheet shows the spar…

We actually profiled one of the models, and saw that the last GeMM, which is completely memory bound, is taking a lot of time, which reduces the token speed by a lot.

The parent is right, the issue is on your side.

Re: NVIDIA DGX Spark In-Depth Review: A New Standard for Local AI Inference

#50
That memory bandwidth choked out their performance. How can you claim 1000 tflops if it's not capable of delivering it. Seems they chose to sandbag the spark in favour of the rtx pro 6000.

I guess my next one I'm looking out for is the Orange Pi AI studio pro. Should have 192gb of ram, so able to run qwen3 235b, even though it's ddr4, it's nearly double the bandwidth of the spark.

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