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Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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> I have yet to see evidence DHH is a far-right racist

You haven't seen that because there is none.

But the right left will label anybody that has even a slight disagreement as far right.

Nowadays a bunch of things (not all of them, of course) labeled as far right are perfectly fine, so much so that it's the stuff that democrats from 15-20 years ago would have advocated for.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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They're free to support Nazis, I'm free to not buy their product. Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.

Which ethical laptop would you recommend?

probably torn between Lenovo, a state-owned chinese company that's empowering the Uyghur genocide, or maybe Apple, the american hyper-capitalist company that's siding with the US government and empowering/enabling ICE by removing ICE-tracking apps (besides exploiting slave labor in chinese foxconn factories for years).

So many options!

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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They're free to support Nazis, I'm free to not buy their product. Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.

Which ethical laptop would you recommend?

Dude, you're getting a Dell.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Free software (that some people call "open-source") is exactly about your freedoms, i.e., it's inherently political.

It's about end-users' freedom though, in a technological sense, not really under other points of view.

It's a way for the users to fight for their freedoms, against the power of developers and corporations over their computing.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Oh man... Technology has always been a refuge from politics for me. I know this is a childish view of the world, but still... Today the nerdiest of things are still filled with politics. Rust, nix, open source hardware... there is nowhere to "hide".

I regret to inform you that one of the largest contributors to the sheer magnitude of the Holocaust was a set of mainframe machines purchased from and continually maintained by IBM.

Technology is a force multiplier just like weapons are, and as such, it can never be extracted from politics.

It can, however, be really difficult to be aware of all the dirty laundry companies have, and cross-company deals like TFA deals with only make that harder. I definitely have a lot of sympathy for those who (admittedly like myself) don't spend their time investigating what every company in their life does behind the curtain.

Even once you know a particular company does something shady, it can be difficult (if not impossible) to find alternatives due to the massive consolidation of markets we've seen in past decades. Or, just as bad - you do have several options, but all of them engage in bad behavior, such that there's still not an obviously good option.

Normally, I'd expect governments to tamp down on this, but, well, even many western countries' governments are bribed to the gills explicitly not to, and I don't see that getting any better in my lifetime.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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I'm not making stuff up? I'm making a claim that's only supported by my personal experience, the evidence I've seen (of people buying it), and the observation that Framework is pushing it for the very same reason. I'm also being transparent about that.

Come on dude. In your initial comment you provided it as literal fact. Only after your unsupported claim got called out you admitted to making it up and branded it as anecdotal.

I'll report back once the peer reviewed study is released.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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But also, more recently, there are very loud voices labeling everything left of "far right" as "extreme radical leftist". And, yeah, I'm with your second paragraph. I think much of the country thinks that illegal immigration is a problem, and also thinks that Trump's enforcement of it has been unreasonably brutal and cruel. And a bunch of them think that trans people don't belong on womens' sports teams and that kids…

Yep - I think you and I (and a lot of other middle of the road folks) agree generally.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Come on dude. In your initial comment you provided it as literal fact. Only after your unsupported claim got called out you admitted to making it up and branded it as anecdotal.

I'll report back once the peer reviewed study is released.

You could just stop shoehorning exaggerated statements into your writing.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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I'll report back once the peer reviewed study is released.

You could just stop shoehorning exaggerated statements into your writing.

I didn't (and don't) believe that to be an exaggeration -- My confidence in that number may not be released sales reports, but I see a very clear pattern of people reporting buying Frameworks for the move to Omarchy (the server has also grown 5-10x in the last two months), and have seen the Framework team's reciprocal enthusiasm.

What's your estimate, if you think mine is exaggerated? 10? A material difference?

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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You could just stop shoehorning exaggerated statements into your writing.

I didn't (and don't) believe that to be an exaggeration -- My confidence in that number may not be released sales reports, but I see a very clear pattern of people reporting buying Frameworks for the move to Omarchy (the server has also grown 5-10x in the last two months), and have seen the Framework team's reciprocal enthusiasm. What's your estimate, if you think mine is exaggerated? 10? A material difference?

I don't need to estimate anything it's yours to provide the numbers because you made the statement. The growth numbers for their discord are true but mostly because the official release was made in the timeframe you provided. Ofc framework will use it in some tweets for marketing because it's trending that doesn't mean that sales are driven by it. They made tweets about other distros as well and nobody would use it to make a statement about Linux adoption or driving sales like you did. You did it because you liked the idea of it even without having any hard datapoints. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

You should read this wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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