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Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by charcircuit »

binaryturtle wrote: post #32
nikolay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app *…

What is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it? If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go. Back in the old days on the Commodore Ami…

>It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right?

Don't underestimate the utility of write once run anywhere. Needing to ensure compatibility with a bunch of different browser engines is not simple.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by mikamika83 »

geoffpado wrote: post #35
mikamika83 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oof, those are some ancient electron versions.

If you go back far enough, they just don't have the issue at all! Running your "detect using cornerMask" script from another comment in this post, I have an app ( https://www.haikuanimator.com/ ) that shows up green… because it's using Electron 2.0.8!

Thats fair, I guess. But running an electron app that out of date is just playing with fire. You know, with the couple hundred chromium and electron CVE's and all :/

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by dewey »

pants2 wrote: post #34
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

Why do you install the Zoom app? Seems like only a way to collect data on you vs the web version that works just great.

The question is why the app is bad, not why users install it.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

shelled wrote: post #40
nikolay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app *…

Hey - "Shame" is somewhat stronger than what I would have said but I also had similar feelings considering it was from DHH's company. And not just for outdated Electron, but for shipping Electron in the first place. For some reason I always felt DHH will write native apps for his company :) I have absolutely lost hope from Dropbox and I am actively looking for a replacement. BitWarden using Electron is just unfortuna…

> What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting?

They started chasing B2B/corporate, and as part of that switched their desktop app over to Electron and replaced the old UI of 7 with a generic flat blobby SaaS type design. They lost their botique app shop feel and now blend in with the usual greasy SaaS fare.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by kstrauser »

TheTon wrote: post #25
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm switching away from 1Password as soon as v7 stops working. I use v8 on my work machine and it's a serious downgrade and AgileBits' handling of criticism around it has been just as bad.

Ditto. Happily using 7, but if they ever break it I’m switching to Apple Passwords.

I did that last year and haven’t looked back. And I can share passwords with my family without paying an arm and a leg.

Pity. I used 1P for many, many years and recommended it to everyone I knew. I feel like it’s completely lost the plot, though.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by nikolay »

nikolay wrote: post #4
nikolay wrote: post #3

There's a better way - you can find all apps you really should care about, i.e., the ones you have installed locally - run the last script in a comment of the Gist [0]. Update: It appears that the author of shamelectron was influenced by the same Gist [1]. [0]: https://gist.github.com/tkafka/e3eb63a5ec448e9be6701bfd1f1b1... [1]: https://gist.github.com/tkafka/e3eb63a5ec448e9be6701bfd1f1b1...

Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app *…

Update: Meanwhile, Podman Desktop got fixed!

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by whatever1 »

binaryturtle wrote: post #32
nikolay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app *…

What is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it? If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go. Back in the old days on the Commodore Ami…

No F shared libraries. Seriously.

Memory and storage is cheap enough nowadays to not have to deal with the insanity that shared libraries cause. I don’t care if I use 30gb of memory to run a browser and a note taking app.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lawgimenez »

the_lucifer wrote: post #49

Seeing 1Password there hurts me. They used to be paragons of well designed native apps that they dumped with 8.

Truly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app.

I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.

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