Ah, yes. Apple - the "standing up to the government" company
Apple did the whole show with FBI because it was convenient for them. They bend the knee faster than anyone when things get a little uncomfortable.
Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
41–50 of 645 posts
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#42FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).
[flagged]
For all the talk of Trump being Hitler, I never saw any real tax protest movement to defund the regime...
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess the developers will need to learn HTML+CSS and self host this app on a Russian server. Will be good to showcase the freedom of the web! I am going to use this news to hit every lemming in the face - those who claim corpo-controlled walled gardens are good for you and grandma.
I’m not sure who you’re expecting to convert. Most people- thinking of people like my parents- think any app that hinders police must be a bad thing. The idea that something like ICEBlock is benevolent and doesn’t make the user a criminal by association just doesn’t register.
Surely an app designed to help circumvent the law is a bad thing, even if it doesn't make one legally a criminal merely by association?
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#44FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).
It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed
the only time apple fights the government is when they want to keep illegally firing people and then the NLRB just goes, well sorry they just have too much money to stop them. They use bribe money for everything else.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#45Reading the comments on that Fox site is depressing. A lot of hate for Apple, but for the wrong reasons (as in, completely missing the danger of centralized app stores..).
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#46Back in 2011, Apple removed apps that crowdsourced warnings about DUI checkpoints. It remains Apple's policy today.
According to Grok, "In March 2011, four Democratic senators—Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), and Tom Udall (D-N.M.)—sent letters to Apple, Google, and Research in Motion (BlackBerry's parent company) urging the removal of such apps […]"
So, we have precedent where four Democratic senators pressured Apple to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t Apple mostly interested in making more money, though, instead of spending money? The way I see it of all the top tech giants, Apple has the most to lose with all the tariff shenanigans, so it’s in their [shareholders] interest to stay friends with the current administration. Apple has never had moral values other than earning money by making great products. And I say this as someone who is deeply embedded in th…
I am an Apple shareholder. My Apple shareholder interest is for Apple to preserve its reputation in the long term, including when Trump is long gone. Please stop repeating this "shareholders only care about short-term money" idea.
I'm also a shareholder and I'd say I'm pretty happy with Apple not needlessly getting involved in fights. The most important thing is not getting tariffed.
Their reputation will be fine, no one but the terminally online are going to stop buying an iPhone because of this.
Pretty sure most of their shareholders feel similarly.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#48Can the same functionality be accomplished with mobile web?
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t Apple mostly interested in making more money, though, instead of spending money? The way I see it of all the top tech giants, Apple has the most to lose with all the tariff shenanigans, so it’s in their [shareholders] interest to stay friends with the current administration. Apple has never had moral values other than earning money by making great products. And I say this as someone who is deeply embedded in th…
I am an Apple shareholder. My Apple shareholder interest is for Apple to preserve its reputation in the long term, including when Trump is long gone. Please stop repeating this "shareholders only care about short-term money" idea.
I’m also an Apple shareholder.
Tim Cook is a very shareholder-friendly CEO. One of the first things he did after he became CEO, which jobs always refused, was to start stock buybacks.
I have a hard time believing Apple getting in legal fights with the current administration is something that shareholders will appreciate, even if it’s better in the long term.
Regardless, if shareholders care about long term instead of short term, shareholders - as a whole - put the wrong CEO in charge.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#50So let’s level set… ICE can buy data from data brokers, and has active contracts with Cellubrite and Pegasus… but an organized opposition can only use rocks and spears. This isn’t a fascist regime at all.
Fascism comes later.
and until it happens and even after it happens people will be saying “it’s not so bad”